Thread: Boris Johnson has defeated pro-EU Livingstone in London Mayor vote says Mr. Portillo

Originally Posted by eublues

Indeed, self-multiplication seems to be a Johnson hallmark: of Stanley's six children, all, including Boris, followed him to Oxford University. (The exception went to Cambridge.)

Balliol, that's where he went. I knew it well as my girlfriend went to it at the time, indeed only a couple of years after he did. It's most famous for being one of the most leftwing of Oxford colleges. This might surprise some people but Oxford certainly does Left as well as Right.

So apart from Howard Marks also going there it is also famous in Carroll Quigley's book. There is a bit of a conspiratorial aspect to its history. A funny place indeed.

I admit my mistakes and regret them (voting for Blair being one of them!).

Seems like some people will never learn.

Still though getting Livingstone out was a major achievement. This has rocked the Labour government to the core and there might be some leadership challenges going on as a result. 55% of Labour voters want Brown out now and there is a by election in Crewe & Nantwich with a Labour majority of 7000. I think that constituency is a fairly right leaning place or at least the Nantwich side of it is. So let's hope the same deal can be pulled off again because if it does then Brown's position is not tenable.

I hope to see a lot of Labour voters lending their vote out over the 10p tax rate. Unfortunately Cameron has stopped short of promising to reintroduce it, which has left him open to criticism of being a hypocrite. I personally back it because I think there is a sort of poverty trap with the low paid where they find that if they do another so many hours work the net gain to them is very small and sometimes it has even been in the negative. A more tapered system is what is needed and Cameron needs to get the support of the hard working workers as well to win the next election.

Sorry old bean, but it is my opinion that you have been conned.

Labour know their end is in sight. Blair handed over to Brown, in the full knowledge that it was Labours last term. He thinks he is clever dumping Brown in the brown, making his dream turn sour.

The cycle remains in place and that's all that matters to them. They know now that Boris will be there for a while and Blue Labour will take over.

Then the same old horshite that only Labour can beat the Tories will be trotted out again, rinse and repeat.

What the **** is the point. Why don't we just do away with this farce and let the EU lock in their dictatorship now. That's what people seem to want really.

Yes but to get out of this problem is tricky. I agree these Cameron kind of people will go back on their word once in power but there is one thing that can stop them and that is public opinion. It's hugely powerful, 60 million people in total and we need as many aware of how they are being ripped as possible.

I have been fighting those ID cards for a long while now. Something many political strategists would have resigned as impossible, a done deal, which even the Tories were thinking about introducing at one time. But it's not a done deal, politics is never like that, anything they impose on us can be reversed, even if it means storming parliament or another Monmouth rebellion, but of course that would be somewhat counter productive since what is so valuable is the democracy we still have in this country.

A lot of it seems to work via the press and the fact we still have a free press. We didn't really argue with the press over their lack of coverage of ID cards at the beginning, we just managed to get our foot in the door and the Guardian took the case up and from that point other papers started to get interested. I see it as much like trying to grow a plant. A plant needs caring for and feeding from the time it seeds onwards and the bigger it gets the stronger it becomes and more resistant to nasty diseases and that sort of thing.

I'm confident we can persuade Cameron to become a eurosceptic even if he does not really want to! He has quite a few in his party that don't say much at the moment since they want to win the next election and they are treading very carefully and avoiding sticky issues. But I think we will see some action after that. The eurosceptics in his party are still there and the europhiles did not complain when he wanted a referendum.

As the EU becomes more fascist they will loose the argument. The latest announcement on compulsory ID cards is 2015 now by the way. It's only a matter of time before we leave the EU. We will be the first country to do it; we have resisted the Euro unlike all the other countries. Britain is a special country and has always wanted to do things its own way. The more Labour try and destroy it the more the people are prepared to fight for its survival.

It's only a matter of time before we leave the EU. We will be the first country to do it

Greenland beat us to that punch. If you ever wanted a good example of what a shockingly biased piece of **** Wiki is, check the entry on it for Greenland.

Ah you mean when they left the EEC. Well I was thinking more in terms of the modern EU, since the EEC was nothing compared to being entirely governed by it. The EEC was touted as an economic trading area, but all the same the people of Greenland were ahead of their time.

Leaving the EU in its current form would be a bombshell for it, especially the UK, where a lot of people around the world still look up to us. They will think if it isn't good in the eyes of the British then it is not worth being a member of ourselves. It's also becoming more and more like a prison, so to break out now is really an achievement, in ten-fifteen years it will look more like a revolution.

I think that is why they are flooding our country with immigrants but then even that ploy is unravelling for them. We just need to sit tight, keep plugging away and always know that there is only one deal on the table and that is to leave. I will never compromise on this and it will take a bit of time but be assured those who said it first will be the ones people will look up to as ahead of their time as well. Thatcher strikes me as a good example, what she warned about has panned out like she had seen the blueprints personally. She's very popular at the moment, especially in America.