Are you calling me a leftist? At least have the guts to not be a coward about it.Originally Posted by Britannist
The fascists can gloat all they like. Their candidate is not better than Livingstone who was terrible himself.
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Are you calling me a leftist? At least have the guts to not be a coward about it.
The fascists can gloat all they like. Their candidate is not better than Livingstone who was terrible himself.
"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
A spirit of innovation is generally the result of a selfish temper and confined views. People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors.
-Edmund Burke
Leopold Kohr.
I dont ever remember Boris Johnston refering to the IRA as brave freedom fighters, that alone puts him ahead of red Ken in my book
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:1
Which IRA? I doubt he was talking about the 1919 original one but it would be alright to talk of them in such a way.
And anyway being part of the Tories puts him a little wore than labour in my book and then being a clown doesn't help either. They both suck but Boris goes that little bit extra.
"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
A spirit of innovation is generally the result of a selfish temper and confined views. People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors.
-Edmund Burke
Leopold Kohr.
Has anybody noticed tthat he BBC coverage with regard to Boris was to be kind - unflattering.
Judging by Brittanist's comments about him being anti-EU I presume it is for this reason ?
Anyone notice the television coverage that attempted to belittle him ?
They didn't like it one little bit !
Only 1's that don't know, are the genuine people thinking it's about others sharing their own ideas.
Mayor, UKIP-hating europhile politically-correct leftist Livingstone The removal from the post of Mayor of the UKIP-hating europhile politically-correct leftist Livingstone is the best thing to happen in UK politics for ages.
The lefties will moan and whine but this is predictable - they always make poor losers.
Last edited by Britannist; 07-05-2008 at 10:52 AM.
Mayor of London Mr. Boris Johnson MP, anti-euro, anti-EU Constitution, Livingstone I think what I actually wrote was that Mayor of London Mr. Boris Johnson MP is anti-euro, anti-EU Constitution and anti-EU Superstate - ex-Mayor of London europhile lefty Livingstone being in favour of all three.
Johnson's Daddy was a big player in the EU. He was an EU Commisioner and an MEP. The Johnson family love the EU. They back, in full, Turkey joining and mass, unlimited immigration from Turkey once they are full members.
I hope London likes Halal Kebabs.
Last edited by mkpdavies; 07-05-2008 at 11:10 AM.
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Cheadle Parliamentary By-Election, UKIP, London Mayoral Election, Livingstone Stanley Johnson was not an EU Commissioner, Matthew - he was Head of Prevention of Pollution Division at the European Commission from 1973 - 1979.
UKIP people I know voted (in last week's London Mayoral Election) for Boris Johnson MP with their 'spare' second preference vote last week because they could not use it on UKIP and because they saw it as the only way they could remove the UKIP-hating europhile Livingstone - the man who made unpleasant remarks about UKIP when the party won two seats on the London Assembly in 2004.
The tactic of UKIP people in the capital voting for Boris Johnson MP last week is rather similar to you, Matthew, stating clearly on this forum a couple of years ago that you would - if you lived there - have voted Conservative in the Cheadle Parliamentary By-Election (where there was no UKIP candidate) as a way of trying to stop the europhile Liberal 'Democrats' (strong in that constituency) from holding the seat.
All of the UKIP people I spoke to about their second preference ('spare') Mayoral vote made clear that all there other votes went for UKIP ( we had four votes last week in total here in the capital) and they would be voting UKIP at the next General Election.
As one explained to me - they "lent" their vote to Boris Johnson in exactly the same way that UKIP appealed to Conservatives to "lend" (the exact word used on UKIP 2004 EU Election leaflets) their vote to UKIP at the last EU Election (as over a million did).
I don't recall anyone in UKIP complaining about that at the time. Last week it worked the other way.
It was a one-off vote by UKIP people for Boris Johnson - a vote they could not use on their own UKIP Mayoral candidate (who they had already voted for in the first preference vote).
They decided to use their 'spare' vote which they could not give to UKIP to vote for an anti-euro, anti-EU Constitution and anti-EU Superstate candidate (Boris Johnson) to help get the UKIP-hating europhile Livingstone out of London's City Hall.
And it worked.
Last edited by Britannist; 07-05-2008 at 11:29 AM.
Denial isn't only a river in Egypt.
Let us remind ourselves who Boris supported for Conservative leadership.
Boris Johnson
Thank God there are a few people left who spot a charlatan when they see one.According to an item on the BBC website, Boris Johnson is supporting Kenneth Clarke in his attempt to become Leader of the Conservative Party. He has now confirmed this in his weekly column in The Daily Telegraph. He claims that Mr Clarke would be a good leader because "he might win". Mr Clarke's known support for the Treaty of Nice and whatever might eventually be ratified, and the Euro and the European Rapid Reaction Force - which might easily involve British servicemen in more wars of aggression contrary to the British national interest - he brushes aside as unimportant. He says:Europe will not be as salient an issue in the next election as it was in the last. We played theI will not comment on Mr Johnson's motivations. However, I have changed his classification to Europhile. Anyone who supports a man who supports that kind of integration must reasonably be regarded as himself to be a Europhile.
sceptic card for all it was worth in the last two weeks of the campaign, and it availed us nothing.
Sean Gabb
Candidlist Director
Thursday the 28th June 2001
Interview: Jasper Gerard meets Boris Johnson - Times Online
More proof required , O.K. how about his own words.
Oh yes. Boris wants full on EU intergration, just in a slightly different form. He even plays the biggest EUphile con card of them all, that Churchill wanted Britain to be part of a "united Europe".Extraordinary: he has devoted his career to knocking Europe, but if that is his view surely he should have worked to build it up? “I propose in the book that all children across the Union should study The Iliad.” Well, even Brussels hasn’t dared decree that! Is Boris a Europhile in disguise? “Of course I’m a Europhile, always have been.” Well, you hid it well, my friend. “I can see there is something noble and idealistic about building a united Europe. Churchill believed in it. I just think the present system is too top-down.” Wasn’t Julius Caesar top-down? “Okay, Rome was run at the point of a sword.” Indeed.
A liar. A traitor. At least Red Ken was an honest traitor.
Daddy would be proud of him, a chip off the old block.
:: ak13 :: Tribal toast man
Daddy Dearest: Boris's mystique has spread to his family. His father Stanley Johnson, a Europhile ex-Tory MEP with a notable resemblance to his offspring, was a guest on Have I Got News last May, presumably to boost his attempt to follow his son to Westminster. Whether Stanley's argument that "if the Conservative Party is going to be inclusive, it shouldn't reject elderly white males like me" will wash remains to be seen. But he has at least one supporter: "Any seat would be mad not to take him – he's a terrific chap," says his son (BBC News, 23/01/04).
The fact Boris backed Ken Clarke says it all for me.
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Conservative, Cheadle, Livingstone, Mayor, Boris Johnson MP, UKIP John Redwood MP, one of the most anti-euro, anti-EU Constitution, anti-EU Superstate and pro-EU 'Treaty' referendum people in the Commons once backed Kenneth Clarke as Conservative leader. He did not back him (Clarke) because of his pro-EU views.
If it is good enough for you, Matthew to say you would vote Conservative in the Cheadle By-Election several years ago (to try to keep the europhile Liberal 'Democrats' out in a contest where there was no UKIP candidate) then it is good enough for UKIP people in the capital to use their 'spare' (second preference) vote (which they could not give to UKIP) in the 2008 London Mayoral Election to try get UKIP-hating europhile Livingstone out.
The europhiles - all supporting pro-EU Livingstone - wanted anti-EU people to abstain in the second preference round of voting for the London Mayoral Election last week. The last thing they wanted was for UKIP supporters and other anti-EU campaigners to use their 'spare' second preference vote on Livingstone's main rival in that election: Boris Johnson MP. All the UKIP people I know here in London knew what the europhiles wanted (they wanted anti-EU people not to vote for Boris Johnson MP) and did the opposite (they voted for him using their second preference vote which they could not give UKIP).
Just as you, Matthew, wrote on this forum several years ago that you would - if you lived in Cheadle - vote for the Conservative in the Cheadle Parliamentary By-Election to try to stop the europhile Liberal 'Democrat' from winning.
In the 2004 EU Election, UKIP appealed to Conservatives and those supporters from other parties to "lend" (the exact words UKIP used on the 2004 EU Election leaflet) them their votes. And over a million Conservatives did so even though they could have voted Conservative. I am sure, Matthew, you were not complaining about those Conservative votes for UKIP.
UKIP people I know here in the capital used three of their four votes in last week's Mayoral/Assembly elections to vote for UKIP and gave the one remaining vote which they could not use for UKIP (the Mayoral Election second preference vote) to Boris Johnson MP.
In doing so they helped remove a UKIP-hating europhile (Lvingstone) who is pro-euro, pro-EU Constitution and pro-EU Superstate with one (Mr. Boris Johnson MP) who opposes all three and who voted against the EU Constitution (Lisbon Treaty) and for a referendum very recently (unlike Livingstone who backs Labour's policy of no EU 'Treaty' referendum despite one having been promised in the Labour 2005 General Election Manifesto).
I gave my second preference vote to anti-EU Constitution Boris Johnson MP last week and helped remove pro-euro, pro-EU Constitution and pro-EU Superstate UKIP-hating Livingstone as Mayor of London.
I did what the europhiles - who wanted Livingstone to win again - did not want me to do. I voted (with my 'spare' second preference vote) for Livingstone's main opponent (Mr. Boris Johnson MP).
Thank goodness the wish of the UKIP-hating europhiles that UKIP supporters and other anti-EU people did not back (with their second preference vote) the main opponent of Livingstone (Boris Johnson MP) was not fulfilled.
The UKIP-hating pro-euro, pro-EU Constitution and anti-EU 'Treaty' referendum Mayor Livingstone is now the ex-Mayor. And ex-Mayor is one title he is very welcome to.
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