Thread: Tories hit rock 'bottom'

Originally Posted by Yorkshire-Terrier

I cannot understand how a party that believes in economic liberty can harbour members who oppose personal liberty. Who exactly are gay people harming? They're not harming me or my girlfriend, so we live and let live. What consenting adults- including everybody else who's contributed to this thread and myself- do behind closed doors is none of anybody else's business and certainly none of the government's business.

I seem to remember joining the Conservatives because they advocate small, unintrusive government: in my view, if we advocate economic freedom, then we should advocate personal freedom, and that the state should only intervene when one person's actions actually harm another person's freedom..

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I am a member of LGBTory. It may surprise some of the more ignorant members on here that I am not Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender. I am just somebody who holds a strong belief in meritocracy and oppose those who discriminate against others for reasons seemingly immune to logic and rationality. I would personally associate myself with everything Yorkshire Terrier has posted. I see LGBT not as an organisation seeking affirmative action, but instead as a group established to eradicate further the continued discrimination those who are not heterosexual are still confronted by.

And Mr Smith – I understand you stood for the United Kingdom Independence Party in 2005. However, if you’re still involved in the CDA and therefore are entitled to attend the Conservative Party Conference, I will more then happily identify myself to you in person.

why is it so surprising to so many of you that gay people are conservative? political opinion isn't based on sexuality. you're not tory because you're straight. many many gay people consider themselves right wing, because they believe in, agree with, and support what are basic conservative values and principles. being gay is entirely irrelevant to that.

the sad fact is that the party has in the past missed out on a very large voting block, because people who believe in what our party believes have refused to vote for us, and most likely not voted at all because our party used to cling some strange outmoded belief that being gay was akin to being married to adolf hitler.

thankfully, the party leadership has seen sense, and its only a pity that values of tolerance and equality havn't yet reached every part of our grass roots membership yet.

when there are young, and even not so young talented and driven individuals who are prepared to devote their time to helping this party achieve success, we'd be stupid to the point of being labour if we turned them away, especially when we can point to a number of individuals who already do great work for us, and who thankfully don't really give a damn that the grass roots membership is in some places as homophobic as the BNP.

we're a party that believes in individual freedoms, and privacy, and yet you refuse to appreciate the hard work done by gay people for the party because of what they do in private?

I don't want to see two men going at it, but then I can always turn away.

perhaps gay people don't want to see a straight couple going at it on a street corner or outside one of the many thousands of bars of straightville, but you don't hear gay people complaining about it.

gay culture exists. its been forced to exist by people like you.

when you deny people their basic freedoms to exist, they band together in groups of shared identity, and want to express that identity. gay "culture" didn't really exist prior to the stonewall riots, the gay identity, and identity politics that has characterised the gay movement since the 70s is one born entirely through straight oppression and suppression. you only have yourselves to blame.

but its hard a "so called culture". it has its own music, its own slang language and idioms, its own style and fashion, its own film and TV, there is a gay identity, though many gay people themselves don't subscribe to it, and prefer to identify as part of many of the other sub-cultures that exist in our society.

the pride parents are the biggest expression of this. they came to exist simply as a challenge to you lot. a case of us grouping together and collectively shouting, we exist, there's thousands of us, and we're not putting up with your oppression any more. and it worked,. worked to the point that modern prides are more of a celebration than a political statement. and the chance for a big party. nobody can party like gay people can.

I'm not at all surprised to hear how the cowardly PC Tory scum behaved and if you Mr CllrDaKa + sockpuppets - whoever you are - ever care to identify yourself and confront me face to face I'll give you something to remember me by.

ahhh the typical straight bravado... as if straight people are the only people who go to the gym, no how to fight, have been in the armed forces, trained in weapons, or survived in the back alleys of inner city london...

if you ever meet me face to face, i guarantee you'll be the one who'll be remembering and regretting it. failing that, i know a real nice pair of guys from 40 commando royal marines who would like a word.

Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

I have no problem with them being gay, but I'm a bit shocked about them coming out as Tories. Is there no decency left?

Good point.

Have you noticed that the few remaining Tories look and behave like anorak-wearing invaders from the Planet Tharg?

I can imagine that the allegedly male members of the species might have problems attracting females, so that explains a lot.

All I say to you Mike 'UK' Smith, is if you think that England is a 'pile of dung' then leave. But you won't will you, the reason you stay from the looks and sounds of you is because the NHS is probably spending thousands of pounds to keep you alive! I for one would not cry if you were the victim of the accidents that you wish on those discussed in this thread.

Finally, as for you 'giving me something to remember you by' I'm afraid I'm not that way inclined so you'll have to take your closet homosexuality back into the cupboard!

Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

I don't see the need for them to flaunt their homosexuality at every turn. They keep claiming they're just 'normal' folk like everyone else, yet continue to act in a manner that segregates them on purpose (gay pride?).

Agreed! A person is born Gay so it's not their fault! So what makes them want to celibrate it.

It's the gays who get themselves into sticky positions!

Are almost cannon and cllrKaDa the same poster? It looks as if they are a regular poster setting up new screen names to attack mikeuk's views? Surely, the moderators would ask them to be more honest and comment in their usual personae?

Originally Posted by david H

Are almost cannon and cllrKaDa the same poster?

Is the Chief Rabbi Jewish?