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    I hope a close aid to Margaret Thatcher is letting her know what a joke her former party has become.
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    I suppose it depends upon why the groups are forming. I am generally against anything which promotes discrimination, whether it is the Black Police Federation or women only shortlists.

    Their stated aims are:
    1. To educate and dispel myths about members of the LGBT community. We’re not promiscuous, we’re not dirty and we’re not all going to hell.
    2. To support members of the LGBT community through annual meetings, gay pride events and generally making ourselves known.
    3. To support the Conservative party in decisions which directly help better the lives of members of the LGBT community.
    4. To dispel the stereotype that Conservatism means homophobia by increasing our profile by helping to support LGBT candidates in politics.
    5. To educate members of the LGBT community on the importance of sexual health and mental well being through literature and advice.
    6. To offer links to other LGBT support groups which can provide counselling and further advice to those who are struggling with their emotions.
    7. And finally, to provide a safe haven for members of the party who are boys who like boys, or girls who like girls. Or both! =) Or boys who want to be girls, or girls who want to be boys, or girls who want to be boys who like boys – it does happen…
    I don't see a lot of talk of equality in there, what I do see is special interest promotion. I suggest that the main result of such a group would be to create more division, not less, by segregating LGB Tories.

    Aim number 3, for instance, talks not about creating a fair society, but instead seeks to 'better the lives' of a minority group. I can't really support that, although it could just be poor wording.

    Aims 1 & 6 seem reasonable; there is certainly still a lot of division in society on such issues, and a heck of a lot of homophobia out there (as demonstrated on this forum).

    I suggest that aim 7 is the real reason for its existence - a dating and friendship club for like-minded conservatives. If so, then I hope they have a good time and good luck to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher View Post
    I suggest that aim 7 is the real reason for its existence - a dating and friendship club for like-minded conservatives. If so, then I hope they have a good time and good luck to them.
    A shagging organisation in other words.

    Since the formation of Douglas Smith's sleazy Fever Tory sex party organisation I suppose it was inevitable that some bunch of poofters would come up with something similar.

    After all, the rather uninclusive Fever Parties apparently have a rule 'Bi guy, Bye guy.'

    I'm surprised Smith and his sleazy gang of sex addicts haven't been drummed out of the party for this shocking homophobia.
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    Reply to MikeUK

    Firstly, Mr Smith I will start with a quote of the agreed principles when registering with this forum:

    "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

    One would assume that you are not only arrogant in your opinions but ignorant in your knowledge. If you paid more attention to Pink News then you may have seen an article in regards to the new amendment under the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill.

    This amendment which is to go to third report stage will make incitement to cause hatred, harm or otherwise on sexual-orientation grounds an offence. You'll note that no Conservative MPs voted against this amendment! This is because the Tory Party is changing with the times, it is growing stronger in the face of adversity in the face of such groups as the Conservative Democratic Alliance which I'm sure you're aware of. Do not rest on your laurels Mr Smith as I'm sure that if you continue on your track of such blatant disregard to the rules of the forum and soon the law of the UK you may find yourself in a sticky position.
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    Some people just happen to be gay, get over it guys. If a Tory group wants to arrange a forum to discuss issues that effect them along with other issues that effect everyone then I really cannot see any problem. I think its the case that this group exists to challenge the attitudes of a majority of the posters in this discussion and not an organisation to arrange 'orgies' or casual 'shags'. Considering gays are allowed to vote, why not let us play a small role in bringing about the end of incompetent Labour and replace it was an all encompassing Conservative Government? By all means set up a hetero group to protect straights from heterophobia, I'm sure you'll be most successful in your endeavour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeuk View Post
    Agreed



    Now we know what kind of scum we are dealing with. In my day such parasites would have been kicked out of the party.

    Now they have taken over. Let's hope that something very very nasty lies in store for these vile creeps.
    You horrible, horrible person. I don't very much care for "your day" if in this present age you feel it acceptable to call gay or bisexual people "scum" and "parasites".

    Whilst I can appreciate the opinion that a group for L', G', B' or T' Tories when they state that they wish to be treated as "normal" members of society is unnecessary, I find it disgusting that you feel that the presence of such a group would disgrace a political party. When the alternative is the closed-minded bigotry displayed here, I'm in full support of a group which aims to integrate with a party and educate the likes of you not to be such homophobic idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazza View Post
    Some people just happen to be gay, get over it guys. If a Tory group wants to arrange a forum to discuss issues that effect them along with other issues that effect everyone then I really cannot see any problem. I think its the case that this group exists to challenge the attitudes of a majority of the posters in this discussion and not an organisation to arrange 'orgies' or casual 'shags'. Considering gays are allowed to vote, why not let us play a small role in bringing about the end of incompetent Labour and replace it was an all encompassing Conservative Government? By all means set up a hetero group to protect straights from heterophobia, I'm sure you'll be most successful in your endeavour.
    Well you can take a running jump for a start. Why should anybody want to replace this incompetent Labour government with the even more incompetent bunch of loathesome no-hopers that the dripping-wet slimeball Camoron has gathered round him. Better Brown than Lord Snooty.

    Paedophiles are allowed to vote too (except when in jail). Since 'David Cameron's Conservatives' will do and say anything to win, how long before we see a Tory Paedophile group being set up 'to discuss issues that effect (sic) them along with other issues that effect everyone'.

    After all, it's not their fault they're kiddie-fiddlers is it?
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    Dazza, they would be prosecuted for discrimination. This is a one-sided business you know? It has reversed since the days that some people think are still going on.
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    What's wrong with listening to the opinions of gay Conservatives? They do exist, you know! Remember Alan Duncan, one of our best shadow ministers?

    I cannot understand how a party that believes in economic liberty can harbour members who oppose personal liberty. Who exactly are gay people harming? They're not harming me or my girlfriend, so we live and let live. What consenting adults- including everybody else who's contributed to this thread and myself- do behind closed doors is none of anybody else's business and certainly none of the government's business.

    I seem to remember joining the Conservatives because they advocate small, unintrusive government: in my view, if we advocate economic freedom, then we should advocate personal freedom, and that the state should only intervene when one person's actions actually harm another person's freedom.

    I cannot for the life of me comprehend the attitudes of the Tory Taliban: economic freedom and a morally-interventionist state. It doesn't seem like the Tory Taliban really believe in rolling back the frontiers of the state, it's more like they advocate rearranging the furniture once in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeuk View Post
    Well you can take a running jump for a start. Why should anybody want to replace this incompetent Labour government with the even more incompetent bunch of loathesome no-hopers that the dripping-wet slimeball Camoron has gathered round him. Better Brown than Lord Snooty.

    Paedophiles are allowed to vote too (except when in jail). Since 'David Cameron's Conservatives' will do and say anything to win, how long before we see a Tory Paedophile group being set up 'to discuss issues that effect (sic) them along with other issues that effect everyone'.

    After all, it's not their fault they're kiddie-fiddlers is it?
    one difference. paedophilia is dispicable and illegal, being gay is not. do you really want to carry on that comparison?
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