Peter Hitchens says "Please don't vote Tory"

BonnieDundee · 04-05-2008, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

He (europhile lefty EX-MAYOR of London) couldn't 'read the writing on the wall' regarding last week's London Mayoral Election though, could he?

"I will win again - I am ahead of Boris Johnson" is what he said late on Wednesday night of last week.

Well he might of been talking about IQ? Although I'm sure several cadavers could of boasted much the same.

Britannist · 04-05-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

.....Tory supporter, you don't seem to be able to cope with attacks on them.

You cannot cope with criticism of lefty Ken. And you cannot get your head around the fact that he has lost. Deal with it. He is out

. Ejected. Defeated. And he deserved to lose last Thursday.

As for the Conservative Party - we had two votes in last week's Mayoral Election. First and Second preference. One of my two votes went to Boris Johnson MP.

I am delighted it helped remove europhile socialist Livingstone. And so are the majority of people who voted in that election.

Britannist · 04-05-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Well he might of been talking.......

Europhile socialist Livingstone lost last Thursday.

Moaning from lefties bitter at his defeat is predictable.

Mayor Boris Johnson won't be the slightest bit bothered about their whining.

BonnieDundee · 04-05-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

You cannot cope with criticism of lefty Ken.

You mean like the ones I made of him? Ken sucks.

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And you cannot get your head around the fact that he has lost. Deal with it. He is out

. Ejected. Defeated. And he deserved to lose last Thursday.

When have I made comments which showed I did not realise this?

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As for the Conservative Party - we had two votes in last week's Mayoral Election. First and Second preference. One of my two votes went to Boris Johnson MP.

Shame.

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I am delighted it helped remove europhile socialist Livingstone. And so are the majority of people who voted in that election.

Me too but it is soured by having that idiot Johnson in instead.

BonnieDundee · 04-05-2008, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

Europhile socialist Livingstone lost last Thursday.

Moaning from lefties bitter at his defeat is predictable.

Are you calling me a lefty? It is a shame there is little to call you back short of fascist, but I don't think that is called for.

All this over me calling Boris an idiot and suggesting that Ken was slightly better, you are a bit of a drama queen Britannist aren't you.

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Mayor Boris Johnson won't be the slightest bit bothered about their whining.

Yes just as long as he gets his morning feeding and afternoon nap and his mum tucks him in for night-nights, he is fine.

Britannist · 04-05-2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

You know the snide comments like that are really unbecoming Britannist.

I haven't made any snide comments, BonnieDundee.

Still on the subject of last week's London Mayoral Election (and interesting political event whoever one supported in that poll): Livingstone broke promises and people are rightly annoyed.

For instance he once said that he would not get rid of Routemasters (traditional London buses with the platform at the back of the lower deck). Two years' later - he got rid of them. He also promised not to raise bus fares. And then he increased them.

If he were really a popular Mayor he would have got the votes of many of the 3 million people who were entitled to vote in last Thursday's Mayoral Election here in London but who chose not to do so. Those 3 million people have had eight years to judge his performance as Mayor and they did not turn out to vote for him last week.

He was not popular.

Many lefties are bitter, angry, resentful, overly-sensitive and touchy about the subject of europhile Livingstone's defeat.

BonnieDundee · 04-05-2008, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

I haven't made any snide comments, BonnieDundee.

You mean like snidely calling me a leftist but not having the guts to come out and say it?

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Still on the subject of last week's London Mayoral Election (and interesting political event whoever one supported in that poll): Livingstone broke promises and people are rightly annoyed.

I'd be too.

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If he were really a popular Mayor he would have got the votes of many of the 3 million people who were entitled to vote in last Thursday's Mayoral Election here in London but who chose not to do so. Those 3 million people have had eight years to judge his performance as Mayor and they did not turn out to vote for him last week.

He was not popular.

Well he wasn't despised universally either but you are correct, I have no love for him.

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Lefties are rattled, bitter, angry, resentful and touchy about the subject of Livingstone's defeat.

You mean like rightists are about those who dare to attack their precious Tory party?

Britannist · 04-05-2008, 06:54 AM

Right - so we are agreed that Livingstone should not have broken promises and that although he had/has a following there are many who did not support him or agree with him.

I would just add that I have made the point before now in other postings that in the period before the 1987 and 1992 General Elections Labour (then in opposition) built up huge opinion poll leads but still went on to lose those two General Elections.

The Conservatives are currently about 10% - 15% ahead of Labour in national opinion polls but Labour leads of that kind in the mid 1980's and early 1990's did not result in victory for the Labour Party in 1987 and 1992.

Labour made big gains in the 1986 local elections - only to lose the General Election heavily a year later.

Last week's local elections were good for the Conservatives but as Mayor Boris Johnson MP implied at City Hall yesterday the results of the 2008 Mayoral Election do not mean that the whole of London is Conservative.

BonnieDundee · 04-05-2008, 07:03 AM

I agree with you there.

If I just about had to I'd take Labour over the Tories and probably Lib dems over Labour but it isn't much of a choice.

Britannist · 04-05-2008, 07:12 AM

Well - two things were not covered widely in the media: the fact that the majority of people did not vote in the London Elections last Thursday and the fact that the Liberal 'Democrats' got an overall national vote share 1% lower (compared to 2007) than under the leader they replaced - Sir Menzies Campbell.

Europhile Clegg has been trying to present his Liberal 'Democrat' party's results in the 1.5.2008 local elections (25% share of the national vote) as some sort of victory even though they did worse in last Thursday's poll than under Sir Menzies who was removed as party leader late last year for not getting good results in the May 2007 local elections (26% share of the national vote).

I am glad the Liberal 'Democrats' did not do well last Thursday. I don't like that party and would never vote for it. I think it serves them right that they did less well in the May elections this year than in last year's vote for many reasons including because of the disgraceful way some of them withdrew their support for Sir Menzies as their leader.

04-05-2008, 06:54 AM	#38 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Livingstone, General Elections, Conservatives, Labour, national opinion polls Right - so we are agreed that Livingstone should not have broken promises and that although he had/has a following there are many who did not support him or agree with him. I would just add that I have made the point before now in other postings that in the period before the 1987 and 1992 General Elections Labour (then in opposition) built up huge opinion poll leads but still went on to lose those two General Elections. The Conservatives are currently about 10% - 15% ahead of Labour in national opinion polls but Labour leads of that kind in the mid 1980's and early 1990's did not result in victory for the Labour Party in 1987 and 1992. Labour made big gains in the 1986 local elections - only to lose the General Election heavily a year later. Last week's local elections were good for the Conservatives but as Mayor Boris Johnson MP implied at City Hall yesterday the results of the 2008 Mayoral Election do not mean that the whole of London is Conservative. Last edited by Britannist; 04-05-2008 at 07:05 AM.

04-05-2008, 07:03 AM	#39 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,642	I agree with you there. If I just about had to I'd take Labour over the Tories and probably Lib dems over Labour but it isn't much of a choice. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

04-05-2008, 07:12 AM	#40 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	London Elections, Liberal 'Democrats', vote share, Clegg, Sir Menzies Campbell Well - two things were not covered widely in the media: the fact that the majority of people did not vote in the London Elections last Thursday and the fact that the Liberal 'Democrats' got an overall national vote share 1% lower (compared to 2007) than under the leader they replaced - Sir Menzies Campbell. Europhile Clegg has been trying to present his Liberal 'Democrat' party's results in the 1.5.2008 local elections (25% share of the national vote) as some sort of victory even though they did worse in last Thursday's poll than under Sir Menzies who was removed as party leader late last year for not getting good results in the May 2007 local elections (26% share of the national vote). I am glad the Liberal 'Democrats' did not do well last Thursday. I don't like that party and would never vote for it. I think it serves them right that they did less well in the May elections this year than in last year's vote for many reasons including because of the disgraceful way some of them withdrew their support for Sir Menzies as their leader. Last edited by Britannist; 04-05-2008 at 07:17 AM.

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