"Grassroots fury at Tories lured by Brown"

Britannist · 10-09-2007, 01:48 AM

"Grassroots fury at Tories lured by Brown":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Little Englander (sour) · 11-09-2007, 01:55 PM

Who's to say they were lured, all of the Tw*ts in Westminster are there for their own personal advancement and these three (2 Tory and 1 Lib Dumb) have seen an oportunity to advance themselves.
Why is anyone surprised?
And please don't give me all that guff about not being in opposition to everything - as the title implies, it's their job, simple.

rjt · 11-09-2007, 02:14 PM

Are you saying the opposition should never agree with the government? We would have been in a divisive state during World War 2!

Labour for example beleive in public services, the NHS, state eduaction, should the Torys appose these just because the Government supports them?

Your argument is that every other party in the HOC should automaitically go into the opposing Lobby to the government even if it is clearly not in the National Intrest to appose it.

Britain would not be renewing its trident program for instance if there had not been cross party co-operation.

Little Englander (sour) · 11-09-2007, 02:37 PM

Hardly worth comparing with WW2 or even the events in IRAQ nor Northern Ireland which I think is the last time that Labour got into bed with the Tories when the tables were reversed. I voted Tory and it really grabs my balls when I see them agreeing with Labour, just like, I assume, the Labour voters felt when Brown announced, in 1997, that public spending would follow the Tory mould.
It's an inner thing, they should oppose and put up their answer to any given problem.

rjt · 11-09-2007, 02:41 PM

And if the answer is the same? Should they come up with a new one just to be diffrent. By all means oppose where they think the government is going wrong, as they are doing so on the economy, health, education but no need to do it just for the sake of it.

Little Englander (sour) · 11-09-2007, 06:14 PM

Cancer fighting drugs
top up fees
HIPS
Care in old age
Immigration
Taxes (income, community, VAT)
The Olympics and the alleged fraudulent antics of those involved
I'm not going to go on and on but you must get my point, there is enough ammunition to dish out two issues each to every Tory MP and have some left over.
Tory MPs should be in the business of tearing up labour policy and stating what they would put in it's place not becoming a Labour advisor, it's immoral and slaps the voters in the face.

If they agree on some issues - shut up and fight the ones they don't agree with.

Independence Now! · 13-09-2007, 05:52 PM

The problem with the Tories isn't that they occasionally agree with Labour it is that they are agreeing with them virtually all the time. What have they been against since 1997? The attempted sell-out of Gibraltar is one that springs to mind but apart from that the list is a very short one.

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11-09-2007, 02:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,476	Are you saying the opposition should never agree with the government? We would have been in a divisive state during World War 2! Labour for example beleive in public services, the NHS, state eduaction, should the Torys appose these just because the Government supports them? Your argument is that every other party in the HOC should automaitically go into the opposing Lobby to the government even if it is clearly not in the National Intrest to appose it. Britain would not be renewing its trident program for instance if there had not been cross party co-operation. __________________ Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO! (Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990) Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

11-09-2007, 02:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,476	And if the answer is the same? Should they come up with a new one just to be diffrent. By all means oppose where they think the government is going wrong, as they are doing so on the economy, health, education but no need to do it just for the sake of it. __________________ Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO! (Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990) Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

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11-09-2007, 01:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	Who's to say they were lured, all of the Tw*ts in Westminster are there for their own personal advancement and these three (2 Tory and 1 Lib Dumb) have seen an oportunity to advance themselves. Why is anyone surprised? And please don't give me all that guff about not being in opposition to everything - as the title implies, it's their job, simple.

11-09-2007, 02:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	Hardly worth comparing with WW2 or even the events in IRAQ nor Northern Ireland which I think is the last time that Labour got into bed with the Tories when the tables were reversed. I voted Tory and it really grabs my balls when I see them agreeing with Labour, just like, I assume, the Labour voters felt when Brown announced, in 1997, that public spending would follow the Tory mould. It's an inner thing, they should oppose and put up their answer to any given problem.

11-09-2007, 06:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	Cancer fighting drugs top up fees HIPS Care in old age Immigration Taxes (income, community, VAT) The Olympics and the alleged fraudulent antics of those involved I'm not going to go on and on but you must get my point, there is enough ammunition to dish out two issues each to every Tory MP and have some left over. Tory MPs should be in the business of tearing up labour policy and stating what they would put in it's place not becoming a Labour advisor, it's immoral and slaps the voters in the face. If they agree on some issues - shut up and fight the ones they don't agree with.

13-09-2007, 05:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	The problem with the Tories isn't that they occasionally agree with Labour it is that they are agreeing with them virtually all the time. What have they been against since 1997? The attempted sell-out of Gibraltar is one that springs to mind but apart from that the list is a very short one.