Cassie

Danny · 24-03-2008, 11:48 PM

You are spot on KEN I think its high time Cassie Mr Alan England was BANNED from this forum for his Insults towards fellow posters.His Insults towards frith were a disgrace its high time the moderators BANNED HIM FROM THIS FORUM

Aardvark · 25-03-2008, 12:42 AM

It is high time that 'newbies' such as Ken (12 posts, 3 on this thread) and Danny (9 posts) didn't turn up on fora demanding in an aggressive fashion that long-term or regular posters be banned without offering a single shred of evidence to support their assertions.

Might I respectfully suggest that if you don't like the people who post on a forum you have only just joined that you f@ck off elsewhere. How stupid can you be to join something just to whinge and moan.

Nobody on this thread has directed the mods to a single post that we can examine and consider. If I stumble across an offensive post by cassie I will warn him, but he and I don't seem to be interested in the same subjects as I haven't read much of his work.

Children, as newbies your attitude sucks. Direct us to specific occasions where cassie has been genuinely offensive, as opposed to robust in defending his position, and we will make a decision, but I for one am not prepared to ban or caution anyone without evidence. Blanket assertions without times and dates of posts are pointless. They demonstrate an intellectual laziness on the part of the people who make them and I am genuinely fed up with the thick t@ssers who have recently joined this forum to post unsubstantiated and poorly argued assertions that detract from proper debate.

This is supposed to be a place where people interested in politics debate intelligently amongst each other, but some of the recent arrivals are amongst the worst people this forum has ever entertained. There used to be a lot more educated and informed people on this forum. They brought something to the debate with their knowledge and experience. They have been driven away by moronic trolls who arrive and seek to disparage other posters as part of their personal vendettas.

Danny, It's high time that people who complain to moderators produce evidence.

Danny · 25-03-2008, 12:56 AM

Oh you b*tch you! Mind you, it's wicked to mock the afflicted!!posted by cassie

Self praise is no recommendation.

Cassie has quite clearly made a personal Insult against me heres your Evidence.thats what you wanted now see if you can take action

Aardvark · 25-03-2008, 01:06 AM

Danny, I found that evidence myself, but no thanks to you.

You must give more information as to time and date of post and the thread and section of the forum. There are tens of thousands of posts and threads to look through, how, on the basis of your post, could I find cassie's post against you (in response to some of your comments it seems, but I'm not getting into a 'he said, she said' argument).

Danny · 25-03-2008, 01:15 AM

Taken from the thread title. Desperate Danny scourge of EDP and all english nats.Personal and highly offensive Thread title started by Cassie he insults me in the following.post

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Originally Posted by Danny
Well what can anybody say about Cassie I have only just starting posting on this forum and he starts a thread about me.Let me make this clear Mr Alan England(Cassie)I hate the BNP they are a vile racist Party and i would call upon anyone to oppose the BNP with every breathe in there body so your accusations Cassie are quite frankly obsurd.(sic) It seems you pick arguments and fall out from what I can see with almost every single peson (sic) on this forum.No wonder you were expelled from the EDP. My posts are balanced and based on FACTS Mr Alan England. so your silly title thread shows you up for what you are an Internet Bully.You cassie and kentishman from I can see have done more Damage to the English Nationalist cause between the two of you.Than any one person could do in a life time with your play ground personal grudge matchs and legal threats. Draggng the English Nationalist cause down while doing so.

Oh you b*tch you! Mind you, it's wicked to mock the afflicted!!posted by cassie

Self praise is no recommendation.
offical complaint

Aardvark · 25-03-2008, 01:27 AM

Danny, That's the correct way to make a complaint. You will find that I have already locked the thread and posted a warning.

david H · 25-03-2008, 12:14 PM

Aardvark, that is a clear case of bias in favour of the way cassie attacks and picks on other posters. What agenda do you moderstores have? When cassie was bullying a woman(Frith) Andy McKee openly ignored complaints about it to allow it to continue. I understand that you moderators are all UKIP supporters. Is the agenda to undermine the English Democratic Party?

Aardvark · 25-03-2008, 01:34 PM

No David I don't have an agenda. I think most mods no longer have time to spend watching every thread and every debate. I have no real interest in the EDP threads and rarely visit. I don't want to get drawn into the internal fighting within the EDP; I have enough challenges dealing with the internal squabbles of UKIP. Yes I am in UKIP although I do wonder why. I am not trying to undermine the EDP; I think one or 2 'supporters' are doing that themselves. There are plenty of people on this forum who by their words and actions seem to be undermining UKIP. If we banned them all it would be a very 'thin' forum.

I respond to complaints that are framed in a way I can deal with them. There is a lot of 'he said, she said' debate that I don't like getting into. I have dealt with the thread against Danny in the same way I dealt with the thread against akria.

I also snip the odd inappropriate word if I come across it.

I know Frith is a woman, but it isn't always easy to work out who the women are as some post with male names. I'm surprised Alex ignored complaints if they were laid out in a way that is easy to follow up.

The correct way to complain is to highlight not only the post complained of, with time, date and thread, but also the words in the post that are clearly wrong. Some people have complained about people responding to them and disagreeing with their point of view; there is no way that we can moderate people's views just because someone else says they are wrong. Some people insult everyone else, but get upset when they themselves feel sleighted. We do try to be fair. I've been insulted by lots of people who don't like it when they get the same back, albeit couched more carefully. In fact being a moderator has meant that I have had to ignore insults such as 'traitor', 'enemy', 'Quisling', 'Illuminati', 'prat' (Burgess has a limited vocabulary) rather than leap in and abuse my position.

As a mod I can see the e-mails that people use to register and I can check people's IPs. This means that I have a reasonable idea of who is using more than one ID, who is sharing a computer and who the posters really are. I can see people joining and immediately ganging up on others and it doesn't impress me. I don't use the information to 'out' people although if people show their hand in other ways then I don't mind using their real names.

I think cassie is sailing close to the wind; the locked thread is a warning. If he uses offensive language against other posters, other than in direct response to the same, then I will commence the process of infractions leading to banning. I'm not going to trawl over 1000 posts looking for insults.

Alex McKee · 25-03-2008, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david H

Aardvark, that is a clear case of bias in favour of the way cassie attacks and picks on other posters. What agenda do you moderstores have? When cassie was bullying a woman(Frith) Andy McKee openly ignored complaints about it to allow it to continue. I understand that you moderators are all UKIP supporters. Is the agenda to undermine the English Democratic Party?

We have no agenda. I couldn't care less about your little power struggles in the EDP. If you don't like it here, go elsewhere. Oh, and get my name right next time.

Incidentally, regarding Cassie and Frith - they each give as good as they get. Cassie's terrible bullying was a comment such as "You wouldn't say that to my face".

david H · 25-03-2008, 09:41 PM

What makes you think I am in the EDP? I have nothing to do with it. I merely object to being insulted. Whats wrong with that? Oh, by the way, Alex McKee, are you in UKIP?

25-03-2008, 12:42 AM	#12 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,116	It is high time that 'newbies' such as Ken (12 posts, 3 on this thread) and Danny (9 posts) didn't turn up on fora demanding in an aggressive fashion that long-term or regular posters be banned without offering a single shred of evidence to support their assertions. Might I respectfully suggest that if you don't like the people who post on a forum you have only just joined that you f@ck off elsewhere. How stupid can you be to join something just to whinge and moan. Nobody on this thread has directed the mods to a single post that we can examine and consider. If I stumble across an offensive post by cassie I will warn him, but he and I don't seem to be interested in the same subjects as I haven't read much of his work. Children, as newbies your attitude sucks. Direct us to specific occasions where cassie has been genuinely offensive, as opposed to robust in defending his position, and we will make a decision, but I for one am not prepared to ban or caution anyone without evidence. Blanket assertions without times and dates of posts are pointless. They demonstrate an intellectual laziness on the part of the people who make them and I am genuinely fed up with the thick t@ssers who have recently joined this forum to post unsubstantiated and poorly argued assertions that detract from proper debate. This is supposed to be a place where people interested in politics debate intelligently amongst each other, but some of the recent arrivals are amongst the worst people this forum has ever entertained. There used to be a lot more educated and informed people on this forum. They brought something to the debate with their knowledge and experience. They have been driven away by moronic trolls who arrive and seek to disparage other posters as part of their personal vendettas. Danny, It's high time that people who complain to moderators produce evidence. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

25-03-2008, 01:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,116	Danny, I found that evidence myself, but no thanks to you. You must give more information as to time and date of post and the thread and section of the forum. There are tens of thousands of posts and threads to look through, how, on the basis of your post, could I find cassie's post against you (in response to some of your comments it seems, but I'm not getting into a 'he said, she said' argument). __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

25-03-2008, 01:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,116	Danny, That's the correct way to make a complaint. You will find that I have already locked the thread and posted a warning. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

25-03-2008, 01:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,116	No David I don't have an agenda. I think most mods no longer have time to spend watching every thread and every debate. I have no real interest in the EDP threads and rarely visit. I don't want to get drawn into the internal fighting within the EDP; I have enough challenges dealing with the internal squabbles of UKIP. Yes I am in UKIP although I do wonder why. I am not trying to undermine the EDP; I think one or 2 'supporters' are doing that themselves. There are plenty of people on this forum who by their words and actions seem to be undermining UKIP. If we banned them all it would be a very 'thin' forum. I respond to complaints that are framed in a way I can deal with them. There is a lot of 'he said, she said' debate that I don't like getting into. I have dealt with the thread against Danny in the same way I dealt with the thread against akria. I also snip the odd inappropriate word if I come across it. I know Frith is a woman, but it isn't always easy to work out who the women are as some post with male names. I'm surprised Alex ignored complaints if they were laid out in a way that is easy to follow up. The correct way to complain is to highlight not only the post complained of, with time, date and thread, but also the words in the post that are clearly wrong. Some people have complained about people responding to them and disagreeing with their point of view; there is no way that we can moderate people's views just because someone else says they are wrong. Some people insult everyone else, but get upset when they themselves feel sleighted. We do try to be fair. I've been insulted by lots of people who don't like it when they get the same back, albeit couched more carefully. In fact being a moderator has meant that I have had to ignore insults such as 'traitor', 'enemy', 'Quisling', 'Illuminati', 'prat' (Burgess has a limited vocabulary) rather than leap in and abuse my position. As a mod I can see the e-mails that people use to register and I can check people's IPs. This means that I have a reasonable idea of who is using more than one ID, who is sharing a computer and who the posters really are. I can see people joining and immediately ganging up on others and it doesn't impress me. I don't use the information to 'out' people although if people show their hand in other ways then I don't mind using their real names. I think cassie is sailing close to the wind; the locked thread is a warning. If he uses offensive language against other posters, other than in direct response to the same, then I will commence the process of infractions leading to banning. I'm not going to trawl over 1000 posts looking for insults. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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24-03-2008, 11:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
Danny Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 311	You are spot on KEN I think its high time Cassie Mr Alan England was BANNED from this forum for his Insults towards fellow posters.His Insults towards frith were a disgrace its high time the moderators BANNED HIM FROM THIS FORUM

25-03-2008, 12:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
Danny Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 311	Oh you b*tch you! Mind you, it's wicked to mock the afflicted!!posted by cassie Self praise is no recommendation. Cassie has quite clearly made a personal Insult against me heres your Evidence.thats what you wanted now see if you can take action

25-03-2008, 01:15 AM	#15 (permalink)
Danny Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 311	Taken from the thread title. Desperate Danny scourge of EDP and all english nats.Personal and highly offensive Thread title started by Cassie he insults me in the following.post Today, 12:24 AM #11 (permalink) cassie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,224 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by Danny Well what can anybody say about Cassie I have only just starting posting on this forum and he starts a thread about me.Let me make this clear Mr Alan England(Cassie)I hate the BNP they are a vile racist Party and i would call upon anyone to oppose the BNP with every breathe in there body so your accusations Cassie are quite frankly obsurd.(sic) It seems you pick arguments and fall out from what I can see with almost every single peson (sic) on this forum.No wonder you were expelled from the EDP. My posts are balanced and based on FACTS Mr Alan England. so your silly title thread shows you up for what you are an Internet Bully.You cassie and kentishman from I can see have done more Damage to the English Nationalist cause between the two of you.Than any one person could do in a life time with your play ground personal grudge matchs and legal threats. Draggng the English Nationalist cause down while doing so. Oh you b*tch you! Mind you, it's wicked to mock the afflicted!!posted by cassie Self praise is no recommendation. offical complaint

25-03-2008, 12:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
david H Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 741	Aardvark, that is a clear case of bias in favour of the way cassie attacks and picks on other posters. What agenda do you moderstores have? When cassie was bullying a woman(Frith) Andy McKee openly ignored complaints about it to allow it to continue. I understand that you moderators are all UKIP supporters. Is the agenda to undermine the English Democratic Party?

25-03-2008, 09:41 PM	#20 (permalink)
david H Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 741	What makes you think I am in the EDP? I have nothing to do with it. I merely object to being insulted. Whats wrong with that? Oh, by the way, Alex McKee, are you in UKIP?