Dossier on why Clippo needed calling out for what he is.

mkpdavies · 09-03-2008, 07:37 PM

Just a few samples of abuse from the fake scientist, that have gone unpunished over and over again.

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Fallen out of your pram over that g hall - what a crazed little oik you are.

Go and see your doctor Hartlepool – you need to talk to him/her seriously about your multiple paranoias. You're barking …….

You and rjt are shallow thinkers.

You are mixed up – and you know it - and you can’t wriggle out of it.

He's slipping or getting old - I expected a lightning quick response quip like 'sorted') :

The fanatical, farcical ravings...

Speculating again Davies, - and as with most of your speculation it turns out to be faulty.

Britarsist wrote:-

Britarsist,
You are the troll on this whole forum.

You metaphorically stroll from thread to thread spouting your claptrap and denying obvious scientific and political...

Just because your intellect has been shown to be incapable of understanding world reality in other threads, there's no need to show yourself up...

Well of course the usual bull**** and obfuscation, & trying to doubt my anti-EU credentials.

Despite the usual incoherent rants by some here, nobody has answered my earlier questions:-

I suggest you need to read up and understand, (nigh on impossible in your case), the ‘carbon cycle’

Besoeker (and Akria) are their own men. I would never suggest to them how to respond to the cranks here & they wouldn't take any notice of my advice anyway.

Harltepoo,

Same old hackneyed cr*p ! Next you'll tell us about your own 'low' carbon footprint or how you are going to solve the EU crisis by waffling on this web forum. Yawn ! - all teeth...

Why bother to take part in the discussion then ? You never add 'value' to a debate.

I have yet to see ANY comment by rjt that makes sense !

You were comprehensively, intellectually thrashed AlanA and now we see what a bad loser you are.

I see you are in bull**** mode again. (Actually, you never seem to be out of it).

Once again rjt you have gone off on a paranoid tangent.

'Earth quacks' again Roland - yet no other real dyslexic ambiguities

Are you all you seem I wonder ?

YCHTT,
I don’t see the relevance of your lunatic post to the subject of this thread, but in the best traditions of humouring the mentally unstable,

Well, suitably exposed as an intellectually arrogant prima-donna , BVL seeks to justify his sloppy thinking by putting the onus on to me to prove Spencer wrong.

Doh ! - Where u bin boy ? Who's the self exposed plank then ?

Creep back into your slimy sceptic pits boys – the logical absurdity of Spencer’s crackpot ideas were debunked some time...

You really should go and get medical advice for your paranoia.

Now I couldn't give a toss if this so called scientist wants to abuse anyone (this is just from the last month and by no means all of it, just a quick cut and paste from the summaries of the last month). But for him to come here whining that others have said something about him takes the biscuit.

Jog on you fake. The mods are happy to accept your bile, so I am going to call you out for what you are. No scientist would be so willing to be so selective of data. No scientist would be so dismissive of the other side's argument.

You are no scientist and whining that others point you out as the charlatan, bullshitter and fool that you are cuts no mustard with me.

If that means I need to be banned, then so be it.

Alex McKee · 10-03-2008, 12:28 AM

OK this needs to stop.

You're both mature adults with lots of posts under your belts. I freely admit that I haven't been moderating the posts in the E&E section as much as I should primarily because I (and I suspect many others) cannot be bothered to wade through the passionate yet heated debate from both sides.

It's clearly a subject that raises intense emotions and I can understand that as most environmentalists are calling for Government intervention to solve the issues that environmentalists think need solving. Likewise many environmentalists feel that the lack of government intervention will cause disasters. I truly understand your passions.

However: this forum has always been a place where the dominant train of thought is that of small-government, not necessarily libertarianism but certainly along the lines of libertarianism, anarchism and conservatism.

To suggest government intervention here is like going to a gay pride forum and suggesting that homosexuality become illegal again.

Now any sensible and balanced person would realise that within a few minutes of arriving here.

Clippo, I have been ridiculously lenient on you because I know you've been subjected to abuse. I've warned you softly a number of times that you should not abuse other people but I am sad to see that this warning was disregarded.

Likewise, Matt, some of your posts have been blatantly antagonistic but I accept that many have been in response to abuse coming your way. I also think you've been more restrained recently and thanks for that.

Can't we all work out a way of abiding peacefully here?
The "ignore list" and "report abuse" functions are there for your use and most people have been using them. E&E remains the one place where sensible discussion appears to be impossible virtually all of the time.

Akria · 10-03-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex McKee

OK this needs to stop. 
 
You're both mature adults with lots of posts under your belts. I freely admit that I haven't been moderating the posts in the E&E section as much as I should primarily because I (and I suspect many others) cannot be bothered to wade through the passionate yet heated debate from both sides. 
 
It's clearly a subject that raises intense emotions and I can understand that as most environmentalists are calling for Government intervention to solve the issues that environmentalists think need solving. Likewise many environmentalists feel that the lack of government intervention will cause disasters. I truly understand your passions. 
 
However: this forum has always been a place where the dominant train of thought is that of small-government, not necessarily libertarianism but certainly along the lines of libertarianism, anarchism and conservatism. 
 
To suggest government intervention here is like going to a gay pride forum and suggesting that homosexuality become illegal again. 
 
Now any sensible and balanced person would realise that within a few minutes of arriving here. 
 
Clippo, I have been ridiculously lenient on you because I know you've been subjected to abuse. I've warned you softly a number of times that you should not abuse other people but I am sad to see that this warning was disregarded. 
 
Likewise, Matt, some of your posts have been blatantly antagonistic but I accept that many have been in response to abuse coming your way. I also think you've been more restrained recently and thanks for that. 
 
Can't we all work out a way of abiding peacefully here? 
The "ignore list" and "report abuse" functions are there for your use and most people have been using them. E&E remains the one place where sensible discussion appears to be impossible virtually all of the time.

Often the debate is not about what needs to be done but whether the entire issue is a con or not. Hence your statement regarding the dominant line of thought on this forum is not really applicable.
And just because something is the dominant line of thought it does not mean it is right, and it does not mean that contrary views should not be expressed, or that any sign of abuse, from either side, should be tolerated.

Given that virtually every thread with a post by Matt in contains yet another insult or term of clear derogation - envirofascist (and just plain fascist), bull****ter, con artist, cult, religion, voodooist - or even claims of just plain lying (George got banned for calling Britannist a liar ten times. I think that Matt has called numerous people liars many times more than that, even if he doesn't use the term itself!) I really don't think it could be said that he is restraining himself at all.

You should be sad to see that both of them, not just Clippo, are resorting to insults; indeed, that anyone is.
And even sadder to see that they feel the need, whether it be the first blow or in response.

The blame here can't really be traced to anyone in particular; it is now as tangled a web of attack and counter-attack as the Crusades were. The blame does not lie with Matt; it does not lie with Clippo.

Clippo · 10-03-2008, 11:41 AM

I find this tirade from mpkdavies absolutely astonishing.

He has consistently (for 2-3 years) called me fascist envirofascist, voodoo- merchant, Gore lover, and posted threads like 'Clippo will get a boner over this', etc etc etc. Unlike him I haven’t the time or the inclination to have kept a dossier on the number of times I’ve been insulted. All of those quotes of mine that he has posted are in direct result of personal abuse attacks on me by others. He should have been fair and cut & pasted the posts that prompted my replies.

As two of you moderators (maybe more), have clear knowledge of, I have posted, albeit infrequently on another forum modelled upon this one and if you inspect my posts there you will not find any example of personal abuse to other posters. You will also know that I stated I was prepared to ask mpkdavies to assist in setting up a new political party based on Direct Democracy. Thankfully, others involved supplied me with evidence that he was clearly unsuitable as a colleague.

He started these personal abuses clearly although those posts are now lost in the archive.

What started this latest tirade of his ? Because he can’t provide evidence to support his scientific or personal abuse allegations with fact.
And that is all I've ever wanted here - if you have a different opinion than me, back it up with 'reliable' factual evidence.

I have never advocated banning anyone from this forum, even the troll Feldoon. But in my opinion, his statements in the post above are sufficient for banning. I might be interested in pursuing a legal approach to this ridiculous tirade of his.

Once more, I say to mpkdavies:-

Prove your ‘no scientist’ allegations against me - or apologise

or preferably take your twisted views, (which are interpereted as 'Nazi' by some), elsewhere and don't return with a new forum name as you did last year.

mkpdavies · 10-03-2008, 11:44 AM

Add liar to the list.

Roland · 10-03-2008, 11:49 AM

I had noticed ny name on the list MKP left cropped up a lot. Tell you the truth I really weren't that bothered at the time but now you feel you have the right to criticize pokes made at you it all comes back down to.

PRACTICE THE LIFE YOU PREACH.

Clippo · 10-03-2008, 12:26 PM

mpkdavies wrote:-

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Add liar to the list.

Specifically?

mkpdavies · 10-03-2008, 12:28 PM

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He started these personal abuses clearly although those posts are now lost in the archive.

You are a liar.

mkpdavies · 10-03-2008, 12:46 PM

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The "ignore list" and "report abuse" functions are there for your use and most people have been using them

I will accept this advice. However, I would also say that the Mods need to either decide that direct personal insults are allowed or not. I don't care about the term denier, conspiracy theorist or whatever being used as it is a generalisation, just as enivrofascist is.

Clippo has time and time again directly attacked members of this forum. Yep, sometimes it will be in response to one, but most of the time he is the instigator. There is absolutely no way this guy is a serious scientist. If he ever was, he lost his marbles a long time ago. If the Mods continue to allow his direct attacks on members, then I am afraid you will see more like me who won't just take it any more.

That's my last word on the issue.

Ian C · 10-03-2008, 01:39 PM

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That's my last word on the issue.

If we could only believe it.

Whilst mkpd doesn't gratify himself to persistent direct personal insults, the general 'fascist' and other remarks lowers the tone of the site.

For those of us who do have an interest in science, being brave enough to admit what you thought to be right yesterday may be wrong today. But science is not about such black & white issues. There is too much dogma here to allow sensible debates.

10-03-2008, 12:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,571	OK this needs to stop. You're both mature adults with lots of posts under your belts. I freely admit that I haven't been moderating the posts in the E&E section as much as I should primarily because I (and I suspect many others) cannot be bothered to wade through the passionate yet heated debate from both sides. It's clearly a subject that raises intense emotions and I can understand that as most environmentalists are calling for Government intervention to solve the issues that environmentalists think need solving. Likewise many environmentalists feel that the lack of government intervention will cause disasters. I truly understand your passions. However: this forum has always been a place where the dominant train of thought is that of small-government, not necessarily libertarianism but certainly along the lines of libertarianism, anarchism and conservatism. To suggest government intervention here is like going to a gay pride forum and suggesting that homosexuality become illegal again. Now any sensible and balanced person would realise that within a few minutes of arriving here. Clippo, I have been ridiculously lenient on you because I know you've been subjected to abuse. I've warned you softly a number of times that you should not abuse other people but I am sad to see that this warning was disregarded. Likewise, Matt, some of your posts have been blatantly antagonistic but I accept that many have been in response to abuse coming your way. I also think you've been more restrained recently and thanks for that. Can't we all work out a way of abiding peacefully here? The "ignore list" and "report abuse" functions are there for your use and most people have been using them. E&E remains the one place where sensible discussion appears to be impossible virtually all of the time. __________________ Anything I post on this website is my personal opinion and not necessarily my professional opinion (unless stated as such) nor is an opinion necessarily shared by any committee or group I am affiliated with. Users on Ignore list: None. Please click one of these once a day: http://gloucesterr.myminicity.com/tra

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10-03-2008, 11:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
Clippo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,859	I find this tirade from mpkdavies absolutely astonishing. He has consistently (for 2-3 years) called me fascist envirofascist, voodoo- merchant, Gore lover, and posted threads like 'Clippo will get a boner over this', etc etc etc. Unlike him I haven’t the time or the inclination to have kept a dossier on the number of times I’ve been insulted. All of those quotes of mine that he has posted are in direct result of personal abuse attacks on me by others. He should have been fair and cut & pasted the posts that prompted my replies. As two of you moderators (maybe more), have clear knowledge of, I have posted, albeit infrequently on another forum modelled upon this one and if you inspect my posts there you will not find any example of personal abuse to other posters. You will also know that I stated I was prepared to ask mpkdavies to assist in setting up a new political party based on Direct Democracy. Thankfully, others involved supplied me with evidence that he was clearly unsuitable as a colleague. He started these personal abuses clearly although those posts are now lost in the archive. What started this latest tirade of his ? Because he can’t provide evidence to support his scientific or personal abuse allegations with fact. And that is all I've ever wanted here - if you have a different opinion than me, back it up with 'reliable' factual evidence. I have never advocated banning anyone from this forum, even the troll Feldoon. But in my opinion, his statements in the post above are sufficient for banning. I might be interested in pursuing a legal approach to this ridiculous tirade of his. Once more, I say to mpkdavies:- Prove your ‘no scientist’ allegations against me - or apologise or preferably take your twisted views, (which are interpereted as 'Nazi' by some), elsewhere and don't return with a new forum name as you did last year.

10-03-2008, 11:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
Roland Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 856	I had noticed ny name on the list MKP left cropped up a lot. Tell you the truth I really weren't that bothered at the time but now you feel you have the right to criticize pokes made at you it all comes back down to. PRACTICE THE LIFE YOU PREACH.