david H

These are not books but very interesting web sites.

Classical vs Modern Education

John Dewey, Father of Modern Education

Modern Education, lack of academics, psychiatry, behavioral psychology, "science" and the ultimate betrayal of the students

For_England

A couple of books I've found helpful:

The Well-Trained Mind

Amazon.com: NEA: Trojan Horse in American...
There is another book - can't remember the title, but it goes in depth into how American education was hijacked by the radical left (Dewey etc), and exposes the mindset and thinking behind modern 'education'. It's interesting that the Democratics are so opposed to home schooling - of course they are, they want to produce citizens of the state, brainwashed by cultural marxism; the last thing they need is having people like Christians actually teach their children at home, instilling into them religious beliefs and a sense of pride in their history - how dare they! And what! children knowing their grammar, and learning things like logic and Latin? They certainly won't grow up to vote democrat, that's for sure.

Baron von Lotsov

That third link down is an absolute gem. It's exactly what I have been trying to get across to people for sometime now and have done several threads here and there saying exactly that.

Here it is in a nutshell.

Modern Education, lack of academics, psychiatry, behavioral psychology, "science" and the ultimate betrayal of the students


So the enemy is behaviourism, see BF Skinner and you will see what I'm talking about.

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TannyD

There seems to be too much choice when it comes to the child in school deciding at such a young age what subjects he/she wants to take and very little guidance from the teachers concerning what kind of work they "young person" wants to do. Some of the subjects aren't used and then precious time is wasted.

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http://www.nationstates.net/01838/pa...n=mutantfreaks:

http://gloucesterr.myminicity.com

http://www.answerbag.com

For_England

The other book is The Underground History of American Education, and looks at the Prussian and behaviourist roots:

John Taylor Gatto - Challenging the Myths of Modern Schooling

Cleopatra

Thank you very much for the links you have provided and for starting this thread. I have just completed an essay on the views of Friedrich Froebel and John Dewey. For my next essay due in at the end of April, I have a choice of questions relating to the progressive approach to education, what should be on the curriculum and why children should be taught.

These links and the links which other posters have posted will be very useful for my essay.

Baron von Lotsov

I must have argued with teachers more than anyone in the schools I was at regarding what they were teaching. They hated me all the more due to the fact they had no answers to my questions. A typical lesson would consist of the teachers asking us rather than providing the reasoning and knowledge in the first place. My mind was not used to it and the wishy washy way it was presented as I taught myself from an early age. I would spend hours building things and experimenting with stuff so I acquired a really practical mind which was far ahead conceptually to the rubbish they taught. Also it gave me the edge when arguing with teachers, as they could not fob me off. So all I ever got in school reports was 'could try harder'. The resentment of the establishment was seeded in my mind from an early age and was always viewed as the enemy. To this day I maintain I was right and they were wrong! Now I know why but at the time I suppose it was more intuitive.

Psychologically I suppose I view the corporate work place as an extension of school, so I never stepped foot in it. My education did more to convince me of how corrupt the system is than anything any politician could do. They were even bent on their assessments. I'm ultra independent now and don't trust the establishment in the least. I even represent myself in court if I have to, since they are bent as well, even ones representing you.

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Cleopatra

I hope you don't mind me asking BVL, did you attend a British school? I too, felt that my schooling was below standard. My school reports all said 'more than capable but lazy'.

My lecturer for "aims of education" also felt that his schooling was below standard which is probably a reason for including this question in a choice of questions for our essay:

'I have never let my schooling interfere with my education' (quote attributed to Mark Twain). There is a basic assumption that children should be sent to schools during their childhood. Why should this necessarily be the case? Develop an argument for or against compulsory attendance for children attending school. Use at least two theorists to support your position.

I believe that I received more of an education through my own life experience and reading my own choice of books than I ever did at school.

I can recommend a couple of books if anybody is interested in the subject of 'aims of education'.

david H

Many of us think Home Schooling is the answer to th use ofeducation for moulding people's minds with propaganda. Just look at smidgey! It is noteworthy that political parties like NuLab here and the Democrats in the stayes want to take controlof this movement.
I have just found this on another forum but it shows how are children's education is being used or propaganda to manipulate them.

’School History.co.uk‘ is a website set up and run by a, Mr Andrew Field, who tells us via this web-site that he is, the KS3 curriculum ICT coordinator, and, History Teacher at ‘Neale-Wade Community College’, March, Cambridgeshire.

What is so important about this site?

It is important because it is used as a ‘resource’ by schools from across the UK! It is also important because of the Cultural Marxist, anti British attitudes it is helping to foist upon impressionable minds Here is but one example of the sort of material that teachers can, and do, download from this site. If this doesn’t make your blood boil, I don’t know what will!

Remember, this is a piece of ‘History Homework’ for 13yr old children:

1. Make a spider diagram of at least 4 reasons why Spain was angry enough with England to want to invade.

2. Next to your choices, use numbers to rank them in order of
importance. Underneath the spider diagram, write a short
paragraph explaining your choices (bear in mind that some causes may be equally important).

3. What were the main differences between Spain and England at this time? Find at least three things. If you can, write a few sentences explaining these differences

4. You are a Spanish sailor about to embark in the Spanish
Armada. Draw an anti-English poster to show all the reasons why you are invading the country (you may like to show some of the events of the recent past).

Link to the actual pdf download available to teachers.

The Cultural Marxist education system of Britain encourages a sense of guilt over the history of your own country. Asking pupils to draw an anti English poster is simply Marxist indoctrination. There’s no other way to describe it!

If you are a parent, check with your school to see if they are using this so called ‘educational resource’. Sadly, you cannot trust ‘teacher’ to be simply a teacher of facts any longer!

Mr Andrew Field may be contacted via: <mrfield@schoolhistory.co.uk>

Department for Children, Schools and Families

E-mail contact: <info@dcsf.gsi.gov.uk>

Responsible Minister: <ed@edballs.com >

david H

Cleopatra, are you at Uni?