Frith

There is a very unfortunate idea taking root among people who are recent victims of the new era educational system that has failed to inspire and educate and caused many to say things like "I don't need an education" or "I don't think education is a sign of intelligence", etc. It has led to various Americans referring to a "British anti-egghead attitude." I have been rather grossly insulted by quite a few British and some American yobs over the years on the net because I am educated. I do not like to hide this fact under a bushel for the very reason that I feel it should once again become a source of pride and achievement to have any kind of qualification or capability whether this be as an artisan, a technician or some academically related degree or diploma. (Or whatever names they give these things now.)

The false notion that you educate yourself solely through reading books, or worse, that education is the mere reading of books, especially certain books, is part of this obnoxious yobdom that, when self educated, begins to attack and insult the real deal.

What people today fail to realise is that education is only half textually related. The other half is what the lecturer or teacher can purvey regarding the subject matter. This vital connection and flow between student and textual matter, between ideas and the synthesis of ideas is what is missing from self education. Self enlightenment, of course is another thing. That can be achieved through reading.

I am more than sorry that the traditional edifices of education are being broken down and the invaluable worth of good teachers being cast down in favour of dumbing down. My sympathies lie with the youth who will be deprived, once again, because of cultural Marxism.

Cleopatra

Yes David.

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Cleopatra

That's pretty deep Frith.

A teacher is experienced and educated because they have studied many different points of view on a subject (at least they should have). I agree on the importance of good teaching but will have to disagree with your conclusion that a person cannot be well educated through their own studies. If a certain subject interests somebody and they seriously study this topic (not just one book but many with differing opinions), then it is quite possible for that person to become an expert in that particular subject, therefore educated.

Educated does not only mean a person has school or university qualifications, it also means having a good level of knowledge.

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Frith

Yes, absolutely agree with you on this. You mentioned the importance of getting the differing viewpoints in and synthesising this, but some folk need teachers for this as it is very difficult to educate yourself on certain subjects without them. I have experience in several methods of education from a student's point of view as I had a very unusual life circumstance that forced me to have to go roads others didn't need to travel.

So I understand your opinion and agree and agree also some place else on this forum where you applauded the efforts of single mothers to keep the kids and still educate themselves. A1 people, these. Deserve meddles. It's easy to go to university when there is money at home, when there is a home, when you're supported and accepted and have some sort of safety net, but when you decide to go it alone and on a wing and a prayer and you end up alone, with really hard work to get through, and all the other problems of life to attend your university existence, then you really do need to be applauded for trying and especially so if you manage to succeed.

Give all those girls a wave from me.

david H

What subject Cleopatra?

Percentage

I'll have a guess!

Needlework!!!

Cleopatra

Well it was a difficult decision, needlework is very important and exciting but I opted for history and education instead. I know, I'm boring.

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"Then they pull down their filthy trousers, squat over a massive, subsidised ditch and evacuate their corrupt, socialist bowels all over a photograph of Shakespeare."

Cleopatra

Yes it is difficult juggling everything. I'll walk around campus waving at everyone today, might look a bit of a nutter but what the hell.

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"Then they pull down their filthy trousers, squat over a massive, subsidised ditch and evacuate their corrupt, socialist bowels all over a photograph of Shakespeare."

Frith

As long as one is waving and not drowning.

Dissident Congress

It depends on who these teachers are. The word teacher is often interpreted as someone with a teaching qualification who is employed to teach. In reality it isn't always the case.