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From the Stormfront UK forum.
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I doubt very much that most contributors to this forum give a damn about these so called revelations from the Stormfront forum, a repository for the opinions of neo-nazis and other cranks. They may however be surprised that they were posted by a man whose obsession with undermining the British National Party under its current leader seems to dominate his life, but masquerades on here as a vehement opponent of the very views expressed on that forum!
But let us face facts and let the reader be the judge. This piece of journalism was written by one of the more erudite members of the British nationalist community the barrister Adrian Davies. Adrian has long been an opponent of Nick Griffin and was the leader of the now defunct Freedom Party. He has also defended a number of defendants from nationalist parties from the "holocaust deniers" Simon Sheppard and Stephen Whittle to the Sadie Graham faction of the BNP in their action against Nick Griffin earlier this year. Secondly Heritage & Destiny is the magazine of the tiny England First Party, which emerged from the openly neo-nazi British Peoples Party/Aryan Unity organizations formed by veteran national socialist Eddy Morrison. Strange associates you have here Spencer! The EFP claims that under Griffin the BNP has "watered down" its policies and "sold out", although revelations of coloured councillors and candidates with mixed race children compromised this ambiguous hardline stance somewhat. It remains an insignificant but vocal thorn to the the right of the BNP gathering in a few decrepit old hardliners and malcontents from the good old days when John Tyndall led the BNP to the dizzy heights of electing one councillor for two months in 1992. Personally, I respect Adrian Davies, who is an articulate and indeed eloquent man, and of course is entirely entitled to his views and assessment of the current political scene. But to cite this obscure magazine as a relevant reference point is like citing the Workers Revolutionary Party as an important assessor of the broader Labour movement in the first decade of the twenty first century. |
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I leave it to the interested to decide the worth of the article and whether its provenance affects their assessment of it's accuracy.
Didn't read it myself. The case is closed on the competence, financial or otherwise, of the BNP as far as I am concerned.
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There is an irony, that is not lost on me Spencer, that you still remain a British nationalist and desire the imposition of radical change to arrest the decline of this once great nation, as much as I or anyone else does. I also think your grievances are publicised more through frustration at the lack of genuine political progress rather than any malevolent attitude to any particular party, including the BNP.
My main disagreement with you is that I believe that when mistakes have been made, inlcluding financial ones, that these are the product of operating on a tight shoestring rather than more sinister motives. That the BNP oeprates on a tiny budget is well acknowledged, as are mistakes when they occur. It is of course important to realise that much of this criticism is done from two angles, first those that genuinely do so from a positive critical viewpoint and those who stir for their own political agenda. That however shouldn't preclude criticism in an open and democratic party, nor should the right to address those criticisms. |
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You change it, it's your record not mine.
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The only ones left with any confidence at all are the New Dumb. It is the beginning of the end of our world as we knew it. Doom is the operative ethic. H S Thompson Kingdom of Fear: Loathsome Secrets of a Star-crossed Child in the Final Days of the American Century (2004) |
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I beg to differ - this piece by Adrian Davies was very interesting, and should be of interest to everyone who loves his country and wants to see a thriving nationalist party. Unfortunately this shows that there are still grave areas for concern. 5k on bank fees alone is a colossal waste of money. I can only hope that the crooks and spin doctors who run the current BNP are soon removed once and for all, because we can't afford the sabotage of our nation's hope. But turning a blind eye and refusing to believe this article isn't going to make the problems disappear. Nor is shooting the messenger.
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First of all FE welcome back to the forum. Secondly, you will have noted that I am careful to point out the following facts:-
1. There is a need for the party to be transparent and open, and recently the Advisory Council meeting minutes have been made publicly available on the BNP website. 2. I acknowledge that mistakes have been made but believe that this is the result of mismanagement due to operating on a shoestring budget mainly, but also errors of judgement have been made and these should be open to criticism as long as its positive. To repeat an article from Stormfront, without having read it as Spencer (Wowbanger) admits in this very thread is ambiguous to say the least! The article was penned by Adrian Davies, who is an intelligent observer of the nationalist scene, but is very hostile to Nick Griffin, so his interpretation of the facts should be assessed in the light of that. 3. Having looked at the SF thread this came from, it was posted by Peter Rushton, of Heritage & Destiny magazine and main speaker at many right wing meetings including the neo-nazi BPP, the EFP and the John Tyndall memorial group, all of whom have their own opinion of the moderating direction the BNP has taken. |
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Thanks for the welcome Vortex. I post on here from time to time, but there isn't a whole lot I can do from this distance, and I mainly just come on here to read news - there isn't much to be gained from arguing all the time, and no matter how bad the BNP is, we must still support it because there isn't anything else, and time is fast running out. Nor am I in a position to criticize as I have done (out of frustration mainly), since you guys are on the ground; i am not. However I do find these figures quite disturbing in light of everything that has happened, and however unpleasant reading it is, I would rather know what's going on. It's hard to put a good spin on them, even if Adrian Davies is hostile. But all is not doom and gloom; things can change very quickly in politics.
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