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If that happened I would expect the combined membership to quickly fall to the current BNP High water mark of 8-9k.

It won't happen though, because the two parites couldn't be further apart on economic issues, nevermind the BNP's obsession with skin colour and worshiping authortarian Austrians.

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Populist Lee

The big Joke is that UKIPers are blowing bubbles over this.
And it will avail them nothing.

When the Fundamental Charter of Rights comes into force, you'll be just as much a "racist and xenophobe" as any one else who opposes the new Order.

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22ANDUK

There's a few BNP/UKIP Party scenarios...however, a total merger between UKIP and the BNP is pretty much impossible.

Should UKIP collapse and implode, and there's an exodus of support than a party like the current BNP may gain about 5%, with many returning to the Tories, EDP etc.

Should UKIP collapse and implode, and there's an exodus of support than a party like the BNP has 'modernised' (as far as the BNP could ever really modernise), kicking out Nick Griffin as leader and installing someone like Richard Barnbrook the BNP may gain about 30% + of UKIP's supporters.

However 'merging' would only happen at UKIP's discretion - the BNP has always seemed keener about it than UKIP. Essentially it would need UKIP to have lost most of its support - membership and financial - for it to consider it. At which case, it would have effectively collapsed anyway. You'd never have a UKIP with all its MEPs, peers and 1 MP, current plus membership and finance becoming part of the BNP.

There was a thread about this a year or so ago, about the prospect of the BNP, UKIP and Democratic Unionist Party merging. All hokum.

Independence Now!

Grow up! The BNP DOESN'T worship long-dead authoritarian Austrians. The BNP could accuse UKIP of worshipping almost dead former PMs of Britain like Mrs Thatcher for example. After all, many in the electorate view UKIP as a lost 'branch office' of the Conservative Party who just disagree with that party's pro-EU stance.




You are right though about the vast difference between the BNP and UKIP's economic policies. The BNP DOESN'T believe in economic globalism/ultra-liberalism aka Mrs Thatcher and the Tories and has a nationalist view that an economy should be there to SERVE the nation and not be its master. Japan and South Korea seem to have done pretty well for themselves since WW2 with the same outlook!

Independence Now!

Indeed. UKIP doesn't understand that ANYONE opposing the globalists' New World Order and its project of submerging every european country into a United States of Europe is SCUM of the highest order no matter how 'respectable' they appear to be. The new division in politics isn't between the old 'Left' and 'Right' but between globalists whether that is the old leftist kind or the capitalist 'Right' kind and 'nationalists'.

Populist Lee

I'm intrigued that you seem to think it possible that people can oppose the EU harbouring a racist motive.

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ANGLO-STAFFS

That is a bit of a mouthful! What could we shorten it to?

How about The Non Party?

Populist Lee

To be blunt.
It will be the significant exodus of supporters returning to the Tory fold that will cause UKIP's implosion.

In 2010 at the General Election, certainly.

There's a possibility at next year's EU Elections - - much will depend on how the Tories play up the EU Issue. The Nice Treaty may be their trick card.

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Independent UKIP

Could you elaborate on this? Such as what the leaflet actually said and who sent it, eg was it official literature or possibly sent without approval by a small local UKIP group? The party was only created in 1993 and only even remotely credible after summer 1994. Are those responsible for the leaflet still involved with UKIP in 2008?

I was an inactive member from summer 1994. That was not any part of the message I received as a member. I would be amazed if Sked agreed to any such statement. That UKIP was the only non-racist political party supporting EU withdrawal was most likely stated on party literature of the time. That is not the case today but was it not true in 1994?

In my view it is and always has been completely untrue that everyone who is anti-EU and supports a party other than UKIP is racist. If some rogues within UKIP said that in 1994 then I am very sorry for that.

Independent UKIP

Considering how badly we are considered to have done at the last election I am not so certain about that. Lose a couple of hundred voters to the tories, gain a couple of hundred from Labour maybe but I don't see a collapse at the election being too likely. Some more concentration on former Labour voters/supporters is needed for sure.

Why might the Nice treaty be the tories trick card in 2009? I suppose I should know the answer but don't.