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Griffin is obviously very intelligent, and understands the issues. However, he is also a liability. I would not think that that statement would need any evidence, nor do I wish to provide anything that hasn't already been said. His attempt to block a leadership challenge should tell everyone that he cannot be trusted with power. The BNP has an image problem, and Griffin is part of that, whether people consciously recognise it or not; it will continue to stagnate, in my opinion. But it will take alot of people another few years I think - wasted years - before enough people realise it (perhaps I'm wrong, and perhaps enough already realise it, but without a fair leadership challenge, and a fair counting of the votes, we'll never know). Really that's all that can be said, and we'll have to agree to disagree on the value of Griffin for nationalism. But people on here know I used to defend Griffin just as fervently as anyone else. The loss of Bowden, the RWB punchup and subsequent loss of Spence and the BNP deputy leader, made me wake up to Griffin's poor judgement - Walker and Collett of course were right at the centre of it, and were protected, while a pr coup like Spence was allowed to walk away. Then there was the decline of support in the mill towns, partly because of internal fighting (Collett and Griffin involved again - i.e. the loss of Angela Clark, then Sharon Ebanks), then the enough is enough fiasco, brought on by Griffin's suspending of party discipline rules when Collett is involved. You've defended Collett on here, but I certainly will not - he is part of the image problem, and the images created by him on Young, Nazi and Proud will stay with the British public for a very long time. There are too many people who have just dismissed the BNP and don't give them a second thought, but with a new leadership many people will come over. Griffin has more than outlasted his usefulness. You can disagree, but I predict in a few years time we'll all look back and either wish he had gone, or rejoice that he did.

mkpdavies

Anyone who doesn't have a history of Nazi links and protecting other little Nazis.

That one thing alone blows away any chance of the BNP ever getting beyond a certain percentage.

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They won't listen. They think anyone who makes any criticism of them, constructive or otherwiser, is part of a conspiracy against them . If we wait another 10 years perhaps the penny will drop that the wider public dislike Collett, Hannam and Barnes and the rest of NG's pets. In short: they have started to stagnate and there is only down to go with this attitude.

blueblood1920

In short the general public dont know barnes or hannam or walker and possibly not collett even if they smacked them in the face. Its only people to follow the BNP like we do who know them, the general public probably dont know half of the cabinet or Labour management nevermind the BNP leadership.
People judge the BNP on its policies and the candidates it puts forward in their local areas, they dont have a clue who senior management are. You still get people saying whats the BNP, so you can pass comment all you want at the other end of your computers and across the atlantic but they are not educated comments and are based on a tiny few cranks based on the internet.

Spence was an egomaniac, though he was bigger than he really was. He was the BNP's O'connor, the silly man thought he would win the by-election. He then wanted the party to pay for damages to his car from when he was active, the party cant pay for things like that. So because the party wasnt happy with him wanting that he got agressive, collett simply defended a friend of his.
Last I heard is that Bowden has re-joined the party.

blueblood1920

Barnbrook is a good politician at the moment, but hes not a party leader yet. He still has a lot to learn before he is able to become a party leader, but he shows potential and being in places like the GLA will help him pick up good experience.

As for my membership, about 3 years as I joined as soon as I turned 16 and was able to join. However I followed the BNP for about 3 years before I was able to join.

david H

You are innocent if you think no one knows who these characters are. The media will enlighten them before important elections, plenty of exposes of Collett's behaviour etc. You should be wondering why Griffin needs inadequates around him.

blueblood1920

So if you went out into the street and asked people who Mark Collett, Lee Barnes and David Hannam are they would say yes?

Even if you showed them pictures they wouldnt know them, maybe they would know/recognise Mark due to the trial coverage.

What it comes down to is that you wish the general public would know and/or remember these people and things that have said in the past as it would make your case against them that little bit worth listening too. However people dont, and you are clutching onto straws blowing off hot air.

Dissident Congress

I agree that the average man and woman on the street have never heard of Barnes, Collett et al, but journalists certainly know who these people are. When the time is right they will publicise everything and give the BNP very bad press resulting in damage to the party that will take many years to repair.

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Hunter

The press have already put out everything of any importance during the recent elections. Six page spreads in some papers with the unions throwing their weight into the arena by sponsoring anti-BNP leaflets etc.

Yet the BNP still manage to make gains. Even if they're small, they are still gains. So what more will the 'establishment' have to throw at the BNP? I'm absolutely certain that if there was anything out there that could damage the Party as much as you say, then they would have moved heaven and earth to do so.

I can only conclude that all the so-called damaging reports are either the products of vivid imaginations, or are so old that they've already been round the circuit several times and have, therefor, lost their potency.

Dissident Congress

It's the tip of the iceberg I'm afraid.

Next year the BNP might have to fight three sets of elections simultaneously (Euro, general, and locals) which is sure to be a strain on both their finances and manpower. They could do without any people in the party that could be liabilities or easy material for journalists to create bad press from. There is still time to clean up corruption in order to minimise damage done by the media, but will the BNP take action now?

It won't look good if NG's cronies are kicking out dissenters in 9 months time, simply because they want a fair and square leadership election.

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