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Old 08-05-2008, 01:04 AM   #31 (permalink)
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BB, just so I can be absolutely sure - you don't think that as leader Griffin should play fair, according to the traditional British way, and have an even leadership contest without smears and innuendoes about the opposition being searchlight, mi5 etc? You think the Mugabe way is superior, and that it's quite alright for Griffin to let Barnes, the Covert team, Green arrow and others to spead all these innuendos do you? You think that's how the leadership contest of a British party should be conducted? Because if you do, you need to apologise to every non BNP member on here for pretending that you have all changed, when really you are still a bunch of thugs. Mike is right - if the BNP won't reform, you need to get out the way, because the British people will NEVER be taken in by fake thugs like Griffin, Collett and Barnes.
The 'opposition' as you put it do in fact work with Searchlight & continually rubbish senior BNP officials on far-left sites like LUAF (though I believe its called something else now). However, this doesn't really matter - & most of the membership are unaware of sites like Covert.

The membership rightly judged Nick Griffin to be the best choice in 2007 - in a relatively unsuccessful year - and they are even more likely to do so in 2008

These leadership challenges are a waste of time really, except that an ambititious coterie are determined to make greater headway in nationalism - which is quite difficult for them unless they succeed in replacing the current BNP chairman.

None of the people you mentioned are 'thugs' as you put it. A bit of negative campaigning on a website - which in any case is mirrored by the automatic Searchlight backing of any opponent to Griffin - scarcely warrants comparison with Mugabe.
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Old 08-05-2008, 03:19 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The 'opposition' as you put it do in fact work with Searchlight & continually rubbish senior BNP officials on far-left sites like LUAF (though I believe its called something else now). However, this doesn't really matter - & most of the membership are unaware of sites like Covert.

The membership rightly judged Nick Griffin to be the best choice in 2007 - in a relatively unsuccessful year - and they are even more likely to do so in 2008

These leadership challenges are a waste of time really, except that an ambititious coterie are determined to make greater headway in nationalism - which is quite difficult for them unless they succeed in replacing the current BNP chairman.

None of the people you mentioned are 'thugs' as you put it. A bit of negative campaigning on a website - which in any case is mirrored by the automatic Searchlight backing of any opponent to Griffin - scarcely warrants comparison with Mugabe.

what further proof do we need of the sham of democracy wihtin the bnp, than that griffin allows smears to be posted around both on blogs and by his weak-minded followers who repeat everything they hear like it's gospel. those are not the actions of a leader with integrity, who respects traditional British fair play. They are the actions of a thug in a suit. The leaks are still continuing - didn't know that did you? leadership challenges are a waste of time are they? yes, that's what Mugabe thinks too. not 'thugs'? (just psychologically deranged perhaps?) - have fun persuading the British public, because they know better.

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Old 08-05-2008, 06:19 AM   #33 (permalink)
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It gives a seriously worrying insight into the leadership of the BNP to dismiss democratic leadership challenge as by "nazis, nutjobs and cranks." A lot of members want to see the backof the Griffin-Collett-Barnes clique and personal abuse of this sort shows why they are unfit for office. To appoint to Director of the legal department Lee Barnes who not only has never practiced law but is not a member of the party shows a cavalier, unprofessionally run party that can not be trusted.
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It gives a seriously worrying insight into the leadership of the BNP to dismiss democratic leadership challenge as by "nazis, nutjobs and cranks." A lot of members want to see the backof the Griffin-Collett-Barnes clique and personal abuse of this sort shows why they are unfit for office. To appoint to Director of the legal department Lee Barnes who not only has never practiced law but is not a member of the party shows a cavalier, unprofessionally run party that can not be trusted.
Well said.

DC has members in the BNP who are very critical of NG and the direction he is taking. The BNP is clearly run by the "gang of five" comprising of Griffin - Collett - Barnes - Darby - and Wingfield, all of which act like Tony's Cronies and dismiss sensible and democratic challenges to the "gang of five" as extremists or cranks who are working with either far left or far right gutter organisations. NuLab is the model that the BNP is based on which concentrates power and influence in an arrogant clique whilst telling rank and file members to lick our boots or sod off.

Griffin won last year's leadership election hands down, but look at the poor turnout. It gives a worrying message when only 43% of BNP members could be bothered to vote.
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Alan Girvan (Yorkshire)
Cllr Chris Beverley (Yorkshire)
Cllr Joanne Beverley (Yorkshire)
Cllr Malcolm Porter (East Midlands)
Cllr Roger Robertson (South East)
Cllr Sadie Graham (suspended member - East Mids)
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Louise Scott (Yorkshire)
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Richard Chadfield (North West)
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Links are still there with these new additions to the list of supporters, dont let your hatred of Griffin blind you.
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It gives a seriously worrying insight into the leadership of the BNP to dismiss democratic leadership challenge as by "nazis, nutjobs and cranks." A lot of members want to see the backof the Griffin-Collett-Barnes clique and personal abuse of this sort shows why they are unfit for office. To appoint to Director of the legal department Lee Barnes who not only has never practiced law but is not a member of the party shows a cavalier, unprofessionally run party that can not be trusted.
I agree.

Though even when the problem has been removed it will still take time before decent people stop spitting at the very sound of the name "BNP".
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I post this out of interest to others not as approval. If this foul-mouthed lunatic is Director of Legal services then Griffin is himself an idiot and not a fit and proper leader of a political party. They should transform into a proper political partyu with spokesman on the differen areas of policy and a proper constitution but it is one-man band with a clique of yes men that is going nowhere and only Barnbrook has it about him to progress.
Jusrt read this from a senior member of a political party that wants to save our country.

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If anybody here has any doubts about how evil and depraved the BNP are and how dirty they will fight against a dissident member. please see here:

COVERT UNDERCOVER NUISANCE TACTICS: EXCLUSIVE!!

I have no time whatsoever for the BNP. I am however aware that David Jones has fought long and hard for the BNP, spending a lot of money in the process.
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If anybody here has any doubts about how evil and depraved the BNP are and how dirty they will fight against a dissident member. please see here:

COVERT UNDERCOVER NUISANCE TACTICS: EXCLUSIVE!!

I have no time whatsoever for the BNP. I am however aware that David Jones has fought long and hard for the BNP, spending a lot of money in the process.
Dave has been led astray due to Bev leaving and now is left in the '****',
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