BNP - Leadership Challenge

London Orbital · 08-05-2008, 10:42 PM

COVERT UNDERCOVER NUISANCE TACTICS: July 2007

Yes, it's a bit distasteful, I suppose, but its shock value soon fades, and there is no evidence that it emanates directly from the leadership of the party.

The link, by the way, is to a demolition piece last year on Jonathan Bowden whom somebody almost named in an earlier post on this thread as the possible beneficiary of last year's 'stalking donkey'.

Agreed, the party does need to grow up a bit, and I'm sure it will, in time.

By the way, the 'tactic' against Bowden worked rather well, as he left the party soon afterwards.

It must be hard to resist what actually works.

gina · 08-05-2008, 11:06 PM

Griffin does have brilliant qualities but they are intellectual and in public debate. He can not lead a political party because of personality problems. He only feels secure when surrounded by non entities. As for Orbital's bizarre comment on Collett! After two different television exposes how can he be anything but a fool and a liability? Not one but two?
For Ng to promote Barnes shows just how useless he is at judging character and picking the best people for the job. Barnes is unstable as the link I posted shows.
Look at this LO. It is a sensible analysis of why the BNP needs new leaders. Don't forget that they have hit a plateau apart from Barnbrook's brilliant work in london and making only slow progress.

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blueblood1920 · 08-05-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gina

Griffin does have brilliant qualities but they are intellectual and in public debate. He can not lead a political party because of personality problems. He only feels secure when surrounded by non entities. As for Orbital's bizarre comment on Collett! After two different television exposes how can he be anything but a fool and a liability? Not one but two?
For Ng to promote Barnes shows just how useless he is at judging character and picking the best people for the job. Barnes is unstable as the link I posted shows.
Look at this LO. It is a sensible analysis of why the BNP needs new leaders. Don't forget that they have hit a plateau apart from Barnbrook's brilliant work in london and making only slow progress.

British Nationalist Blog

Griffin has now set up a bigger management team and has the advisory council, Griffin is a keen supporter of micro-management. Get the people in the party to run their own affairs at a local level to take the weight off the top of the party who can then deal with the more national public issues.

The BNP needs to be able to be seen as competent in the media, if someone was to look a bumbling fool infront of paxman that would do us damage. However Griffin has ran rings around paxman and the media fear getting into a debate with him. He has his faults, but only by making mistakes will the BNP as a party learn from them and improve for the future.

gina · 09-05-2008, 12:18 AM

AdvisoryCouncil? Collett, the "young Nazi and Proud, a ranter like Barnes who is not even a party member nor has he practiced law,and Hannan? Then there is the dictators constitution. You don't run a political party like that in the UK nowadays. Your whole approach to politics is hoodwinking people into thinking the leaders are running a proper political party when you have a dictators constitution. You are fools to think you can get away with it when in fact you are providing the corrupt establishment with the excuse to ban you. You are naive and stupid people who are betraying our country and our people.
If this all so clever,why no progress? Oh, I know, its all because of "Nazis,cranks and nutobs" plotting against you. Just ask yourself why so many members are becoming disillusioned.

Populist Lee · 09-05-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by London Orbital

COVERT UNDERCOVER NUISANCE TACTICS: July 2007

Yes, it's a bit distasteful, I suppose, but its shock value soon fades, and there is no evidence that it emanates directly from the leadership of the party.

The link, by the way, is to a demolition piece last year on Jonathan Bowden whom somebody almost named in an earlier post on this thread as the possible beneficiary of last year's 'stalking donkey'.

Agreed, the party does need to grow up a bit, and I'm sure it will, in time.

By the way, the 'tactic' against Bowden worked rather well, as he left the party soon afterwards.

It must be hard to resist what actually works.

Well, to be honest with you . . .
I have not detected that particular glint deep within Bowden's eye which would suggest he's leadership material.

Vortex · 09-05-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

Well, to be honest with you . . .
I have not detected that particular glint deep within Bowden's eye which would suggest he's leadership material.

Bowden is extremely articulate and definately one of the BNP's best speakers. However, like you I don't think he's a leader as such. Leading any political party is a highly difficult job, and leading the BNP has to be the hardest with the constant massive attacks from without and within the party, the latter often orchestrated by state agents and infiltrators. I don't for one moment think that all the VOC group (and I know some of them), are in this camp, but they have been manipulated by their understandable desire to see the party become more electable and successsful.

The real test of character is to be able to assess genuine dissenters from agent provocateurs, not an easy task, but one we mustn't lose sight of.

Dissident Congress · 09-05-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by London Orbital

The real weakness, though, of the Voice of Change lot is they haven't even got the imagination to re-position themselves ideologically so as to be distinct from the BNP.

If they would make direct democracy rather than Islam the centrepiece of their new ideology then they could be on the road for a big victory. Direct democracy is something the BNP has yet to take seriously.

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But let me offer Sadie Graham & friends a free suggestion - form a new party and let ethnic minorities join. At one stroke you become real 'modernisers'. Not even racist! A sort of UKIP with balls. We might then see Mike Smith's popular anti-immigration non-fascist nationalist front. The major parties would be terrified, since they'd be properly confronted at long last on the biggest political issue of today. And the fascist far-right - if it really is such - would simply disappear - Griffin along with it...

Sounds like the Freedom Party MkII. Are they going from strength to strength?!

Something tells me there is little demand for "civic" nationalist politics in Britain. There are hardly any ethnics in UKIP which firmly states they are a non-racist party. Perhaps this indicates that only a tiny handful of ethnics have any interest in patriotism, nationalism, British identity, or opposition to the EU. The media still won't accept UKIP is anything other than BNP in suits. Therefore, Sadie Graham's new party will take the same smears.

Dissident Congress · 09-05-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

The BNP needs to be able to be seen as competent in the media, if someone was to look a bumbling fool infront of paxman that would do us damage. However Griffin has ran rings around paxman and the media fear getting into a debate with him. He has his faults, but only by making mistakes will the BNP as a party learn from them and improve for the future.

NG's greatest strength has to be the way he works with the media. Unfortunately, the mainstream media are hostile to patriotism and nationalism, so will never be true friends with anyone from in the BNP. The mainstream media is a business which means they will only give media coverage to nationalist political organisations if the media bosses think they can make money from it.

The DC policy is to refuse any offers of media coverage from the mainstream media.

Shaun · 09-05-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

Who is Richard Chadfield?
Are we supposed to know; and be impressed?

Will some of the BNPers and those who support them remember this is not Stormfront, and we non-BNPers haven't a clue who you're talking about most of the time.

He is the charactar who is now with Bev Jones,former partner of Dave Jones,the person that link refers to.
Bev Jones was recently expelled from the BNP.
Who or what is 'Stormfront'?

Tom Wilde · 09-05-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress

There are hardly any ethnics in UKIP which firmly states they are a non-racist party.

Yes there are. Take a look at one of the lists of UKIP general election candidates, for instance.

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress

Perhaps this indicates that only a tiny handful of ethnics have any interest in patriotism, nationalism, British identity, or opposition to the EU.

So perhaps the fact that there are quite a few indicates the reverse.

By the way, talking about "ethnics" makes you sound like a doofus.

08-05-2008, 10:42 PM	#51 (permalink)
London Orbital Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: East End of London Posts: 133	Covert Undercover Nuisance Tactics COVERT UNDERCOVER NUISANCE TACTICS: July 2007 Yes, it's a bit distasteful, I suppose, but its shock value soon fades, and there is no evidence that it emanates directly from the leadership of the party. The link, by the way, is to a demolition piece last year on Jonathan Bowden whom somebody almost named in an earlier post on this thread as the possible beneficiary of last year's 'stalking donkey'. Agreed, the party does need to grow up a bit, and I'm sure it will, in time. By the way, the 'tactic' against Bowden worked rather well, as he left the party soon afterwards. It must be hard to resist what actually works.

08-05-2008, 11:06 PM	#52 (permalink)
gina Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 47	Londoner in Orbit Griffin does have brilliant qualities but they are intellectual and in public debate. He can not lead a political party because of personality problems. He only feels secure when surrounded by non entities. As for Orbital's bizarre comment on Collett! After two different television exposes how can he be anything but a fool and a liability? Not one but two? For Ng to promote Barnes shows just how useless he is at judging character and picking the best people for the job. Barnes is unstable as the link I posted shows. Look at this LO. It is a sensible analysis of why the BNP needs new leaders. Don't forget that they have hit a plateau apart from Barnbrook's brilliant work in london and making only slow progress. British Nationalist Blog

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09-05-2008, 12:18 AM	#54 (permalink)
gina Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 47	AdvisoryCouncil? Collett, the "young Nazi and Proud, a ranter like Barnes who is not even a party member nor has he practiced law,and Hannan? Then there is the dictators constitution. You don't run a political party like that in the UK nowadays. Your whole approach to politics is hoodwinking people into thinking the leaders are running a proper political party when you have a dictators constitution. You are fools to think you can get away with it when in fact you are providing the corrupt establishment with the excuse to ban you. You are naive and stupid people who are betraying our country and our people. If this all so clever,why no progress? Oh, I know, its all because of "Nazis,cranks and nutobs" plotting against you. Just ask yourself why so many members are becoming disillusioned.