The Bear

I’ve just submitted a “report” regarding posts on this thread for the simple reason that some of the statements being made are possibly libellous, or at the very least could give opportunity for the BNP or certain individuals to take action against those who have made them and the forum “owner” and his administration team.

The cost of defending such actions, even if proven to be unfounded, can run into telephone numbers of squids.

Sorry guys, I may be wrong but I don’t think that I am.

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For_England

Yep, the links are still there, and i think they have made a big mistake; however, they are not linked with voc and in fact voc were planning to put up their own challenger before Auty stepped forward.

Shaun

Richard Chadfield is supporting the leadership challenge.

Tom Wilde

I think you are absolutely right, and thanks for flagging it up. I've just deleted one potentially libellous allegation in this thread. There may be others - I don't have time to check now.

Populist Lee

Who is Richard Chadfield?
Are we supposed to know; and be impressed?

Will some of the BNPers and those who support them remember this is not Stormfront, and we non-BNPers haven't a clue who you're talking about most of the time.

Populist Lee

Ditto.
Garside?

cookie65

On the basis of know your enemy

Tony Jones, council candidate for at least three years for Ashton Waterloo.
Bev Jones council candidate in 2007 for Ashton Hurst.

Richard Chadfield, has stood as a local candidate in Stockport at least a couple of times, and was a Parliamentary candidate in 2005.

I detest the BNP, but feel rather sorry that Tameside politics are being dragged through the mud like this. There should be some self censorship by members of all parties, and to a certain extent that is true of most parties. The bnp seem to have disregarded that in their most personal and obnoxious infighting.

Vortex

I found the tone of that piece in the blog mentioned distasteful in the extreme. I have no idea of the marital status of Mr & Mrs Jones and frankly (like any sane person) I do not care, except that I would sympathise with anyone undergoing relationship difficulties. I do know that David Jones has worked hard for the BNP, despite his disability, and deserves praise from his contemporaries for that.

Yes he has sided with the "rebels", while most BNP members have sided with the status quo, including myself.

However, I will always condemn personal attacks of this nature and do so here. Secondly, all party members have the right to criticise the party leadership, as long as its conducted in a sensible, mature and rational manner in accordance with the rules of membership.

I unreservedly support the right of free speech within the BNP, and always have done. We should not be afraid of the truth, only lies, innuendo and hypocrisy.

London Orbital

There is no lack of democracy in the BNP insofar as leadership challenges are dealt with democratically. Someone made the point that only 43% of members bothered to vote last time. I would suggest this is because most simply do not see an issue with Nick Griffin continuing as chairman.

The 'rebels' failed to pack the Advisory Council, they failed to demolish the reputations of Mark Collett and David Hannam (two perfectly good officials, whose main 'fault' was they remained loyal to Griffin). Now their main opportunity lies in mounting leadership challenges which the bulk of the membership simply see no need for.

Sure, if Griffin had become as discredited as, say, Iain Duncan Smith in the Conservatives, I've no doubt the members would all be clamouring to vote in the next leadership election. But they aren't.

I may be 'weak-minded' but it's as clear as my nose that in Griffin we have a chairman who is a genuinely inspiring speaker, who is also good on television, able to take on the likes of Jeremy Paxman, etc. Individuals like this are rather hard to come by in our party. Now I don't personally know Colin Auty, but I would advise anyone thinking of supporting him to listen to his songs, if they can bear it. Imagine living under a regime in which you were forced to listen to these tedious dirges - you would probably leave nationalism for good & embrace multiculturalism.

Sadie Graham isn't a leader either - she lacks table manners, for one thing.

The real weakness, though, of the Voice of Change lot is they haven't even got the imagination to re-position themselves ideologically so as to be distinct from the BNP.

I mean, the National Front, the British People's Party, the England First Party - all of them appear to be capable of this, but the Grahamites seem not to be. So what on earth have they got to offer - a lot of stuff about 'democracy' in the party when it's obvious a party like the BNP has to be run as a tight ship.

Indeed, every political party has to be run as a tight ship. When Nigel Hastilow was compelled to sign a statement saying either he admitted to being 'incredibly stupid' for writing approvingly of Enoch Powell, or be forced to stand down as a candidate, was that democratic? Of course not. No party is run completely democratically that wants to survive and win.

But let me offer Sadie Graham & friends a free suggestion - form a new party and let ethnic minorities join. At one stroke you become real 'modernisers'. Not even racist! A sort of UKIP with balls. We might then see Mike Smith's popular anti-immigration non-fascist nationalist front. The major parties would be terrified, since they'd be properly confronted at long last on the biggest political issue of today. And the fascist far-right - if it really is such - would simply disappear - Griffin along with it...

For_England

I support the policies of the BNP and have little sympathy for VoC, as I've made clear no here. I agree they should not be in leadershp, though I see the fact that they were given positions as further evidence that Griffin surrounds himself with people he knows could never be a threat by the very nature of their incompetance. Colin Auty has the right to run for the leadership, and BNP-affiliated blogs shouldn't be spreading smears and innuendo about him - that's all I'm saying. Parties are not total democracies, but leadership challenges that follow the rules should be treated respectfully.