BNP - Leadership Challenge

British-Conservatism · 20-05-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress

If things progress the way they are going then in about 5 years time the BNP will have ceased being a nationalist party. It will have ended up as an anti-Islamic version of the Liberal Democrats. NG is killing nationalist politics in the name of a vote.

Then support the National Front if you want a more hardline stance.
A softer stance then go for UKIP.
Why change the BNP?

British-Conservatism · 20-05-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by For_England

Auty was right to say that others have their homeland with their own culture - but he didn't say they also have homelands with ethnic solidarity and community. What is so wrong with Europe for Europeans? oh well, I suppose we will either win, or we'll lose (though in the latter case, everyone loses, whatever colour or political persuasion). I think Griffin is stacking the chances against us however. The negative image is there, and we need to be actively undermining it - we don't do that when the leadership runs the party like a dictatorship and election challenges like Mugabe, and surrounds himself with the likes of Collett and Barnes. The pro-Griffins on here are not being honest about the effects of keeping Griffin upon the morale of the party (not to mention constant splits and loss of good activists) and upon the image of the party. We need to be countering the negative image with a positive one. Griffin's behaviour is not as isolated and contained as people assume, and we should be doing everything we possibly can to win, and win quickly, not playing silly games while our enemies plot our permanent eradication.

Do you think even one person in the BNP could win a leadership election against Griffin?

British-Conservatism · 20-05-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by For_England

well if we don't get a credible replacement to Griffin soon, we will continue to have leadership challenges from moderates like Auty who want to open the party up. Griffin and his gang of thugs have outlasted their time and need to go - but quickly before the moderate (i.e. anti-Muslim but not nationalist) faction gets too powerful. BB - were you at the meeting where Griffin allegedly said that we have to accept that the foreigners and their descendants are here to stay and that we need to work with their community leaders? Sounds just as bad as what I'm hearing about the Auty camp.

What reforms do you want the BNP to make?

For_England · 20-05-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Do you think even one person in the BNP could win a leadership election against Griffin?

No, not yet. Things will have to get worse and/or stagnate far longer before people realise he is holding us back. I just hope it isn't too late.

For_England · 20-05-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

What reforms do you want the BNP to make?

Policy-wise: none
New, competent leadership that doesn't suppress talent, and that actually believes in accountability, fairness, and democracy. In short, a new face, not the same old gang of thugs who everyone can see through except the party loyal. Unifiers, not people who have created problems and divisions from day one. Not people who on national TV say they enjoy making people suffer. Not people who reveal Tree of Life tattoos to the country. Not deranged nutters like Barnes. Not people who believe that it's up to the leadership to decide whether a leadership challenge should go forward, and not the members. The public already believe the worse - we ought to be presenting an alternative image, not giving them every reason to believe the negativity. If nationalism is ever to move forward, then the day has come for fresh leadership who can take it to the next level, without the baggage of the past. Can it be done without causing any erosion in the core principles? All I know is the longer we wait, the harder it will be. However, my view right now is that it will take a few more years of failure, when even Griffin's spin will fail to persuade people that electoral stagnation is a 'success'. And I expect the party will be in danger of going moderate. Fifty percent of the public agree with our policies, yet we can't tap in to more than about a quarter of that vote. I would think it obvious that a total and complete image (not policy) makeover, including a wipe out of anyone likely to associate the party with neo-Nazism, is needed. We can't afford anything less at this moment in time, and we can't afford leaders who continually are causing splits and divisions within nationalism. Surely even you cannot pretend these divisions we are discussing are totally the fault of the anti-Griffins? He had a unified party till the December purges, but he has really shown his true and ugly nature in the way he is using blogs and threats to try to shut down a leadership challenge. The BNP is going nowhere under Griffin. I would suggest the reason no one is apparent as a successor is because he either has purged or suppressed anyone who might be a threat.

ANGLO-STAFFS · 21-05-2008, 06:47 PM

Anyone know the state of play in the court case
re: Gri££in, the South African Stazi and the raid to steal the Laptops etc from Saddie Graham?

It would be fun if he was being grilled in court during the leadership election.

ANGLO-STAFFS · 21-05-2008, 06:54 PM

[quote=
Why change the BNP?[/QUOTE]

It is called evolution.

A natural process which has bypassed Gri££in, Collet, Darby etc.

arden forester · 21-05-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Then support the National Front if you want a more hardline stance.
A softer stance then go for UKIP.
Why change the BNP?

I hardly think these three are on some spectrum or other. UKIP has nothing to do with Tweedle BNP and Tweedle NF thinking.

British-Conservatism · 21-05-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by For_England

Policy-wise: none
New, competent leadership that doesn't suppress talent, and that actually believes in accountability, fairness, and democracy. In short, a new face, not the same old gang of thugs who everyone can see through except the party loyal. Unifiers, not people who have created problems and divisions from day one. Not people who on national TV say they enjoy making people suffer. Not people who reveal Tree of Life tattoos to the country. Not deranged nutters like Barnes. Not people who believe that it's up to the leadership to decide whether a leadership challenge should go forward, and not the members. The public already believe the worse - we ought to be presenting an alternative image, not giving them every reason to believe the negativity. If nationalism is ever to move forward, then the day has come for fresh leadership who can take it to the next level, without the baggage of the past. Can it be done without causing any erosion in the core principles? All I know is the longer we wait, the harder it will be. However, my view right now is that it will take a few more years of failure, when even Griffin's spin will fail to persuade people that electoral stagnation is a 'success'. And I expect the party will be in danger of going moderate. Fifty percent of the public agree with our policies, yet we can't tap in to more than about a quarter of that vote. I would think it obvious that a total and complete image (not policy) makeover, including a wipe out of anyone likely to associate the party with neo-Nazism, is needed. We can't afford anything less at this moment in time, and we can't afford leaders who continually are causing splits and divisions within nationalism. Surely even you cannot pretend these divisions we are discussing are totally the fault of the anti-Griffins? He had a unified party till the December purges, but he has really shown his true and ugly nature in the way he is using blogs and threats to try to shut down a leadership challenge. The BNP is going nowhere under Griffin. I would suggest the reason no one is apparent as a successor is because he either has purged or suppressed anyone who might be a threat.

You have become totally obsessed with the internal workings of the BNP.
I would think less than 1% of the population knows who Nick Griffin is let alone the rest of them.
Time you stepped back into the real world.
What matters is establishing well known movement with popular policies and a strong leader.

British-Conservatism · 21-05-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by arden forester

I hardly think these three are on some spectrum or other. UKIP has nothing to do with Tweedle BNP and Tweedle NF thinking.

UKIP is much the same.
It is supposed to be against the EU and Immigration after all.

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21-05-2008, 06:47 PM	#216 (permalink)
ANGLO-STAFFS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 640	Anyone know the state of play in the court case re: Gri££in, the South African Stazi and the raid to steal the Laptops etc from Saddie Graham? It would be fun if he was being grilled in court during the leadership election.

21-05-2008, 06:54 PM	#217 (permalink)
ANGLO-STAFFS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 640	[quote= Why change the BNP?[/QUOTE] It is called evolution. A natural process which has bypassed Gri££in, Collet, Darby etc.