BNP - Leadership Challenge

Dissident Congress · 20-05-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

Maybe hes seens Auty for what he is and does not want to be part of someone who wants to allow in muslim flag waving pakistanis. Good to see him taken down from the list, but would be good to find out what his reasons are so we dont need to speculate.

Is there any concrete evidence that Colin Auty will allow ethnics to join the BNP? There have been rumours for several years that NG will change the party policy to allow (non Muslim?) ethnics to join? After all, wasn't he seen on an election broadcast with an Indian beside him! That outraged many traditionalists and was seen as a publicity stunt to tone down a racist image.

blueblood1920 · 20-05-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress

Is there any concrete evidence that Colin Auty will allow ethnics to join the BNP? There have been rumours for several years that NG will change the party policy to allow (non Muslim?) ethnics to join? After all, wasn't he seen on an election broadcast with an Indian beside him! That outraged many traditionalists and was seen as a publicity stunt to tone down a racist image.

There was a dabate about it years ago which was totally rejected, our policy with ethnics who want to preserve their own race and defend from the Islamic enemy is that they are Friends but not Family.

He hasnt said it yet, but the Language coming out of the Auty camp points that way.

Seasider · 20-05-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

I would be amazed if the BNP members forum allowed any critic of Gri££in on there.

You are more than correct with that statement

For_England · 20-05-2008, 05:52 PM

well if we don't get a credible replacement to Griffin soon, we will continue to have leadership challenges from moderates like Auty who want to open the party up. Griffin and his gang of thugs have outlasted their time and need to go - but quickly before the moderate (i.e. anti-Muslim but not nationalist) faction gets too powerful. BB - were you at the meeting where Griffin allegedly said that we have to accept that the foreigners and their descendants are here to stay and that we need to work with their community leaders? Sounds just as bad as what I'm hearing about the Auty camp.

Dissident Congress · 20-05-2008, 06:07 PM

If things progress the way they are going then in about 5 years time the BNP will have ceased being a nationalist party. It will have ended up as an anti-Islamic version of the Liberal Democrats. NG is killing nationalist politics in the name of a vote.

For_England · 20-05-2008, 06:29 PM

Auty was right to say that others have their homeland with their own culture - but he didn't say they also have homelands with ethnic solidarity and community. What is so wrong with Europe for Europeans? oh well, I suppose we will either win, or we'll lose (though in the latter case, everyone loses, whatever colour or political persuasion). I think Griffin is stacking the chances against us however. The negative image is there, and we need to be actively undermining it - we don't do that when the leadership runs the party like a dictatorship and election challenges like Mugabe, and surrounds himself with the likes of Collett and Barnes. The pro-Griffins on here are not being honest about the effects of keeping Griffin upon the morale of the party (not to mention constant splits and loss of good activists) and upon the image of the party. We need to be countering the negative image with a positive one. Griffin's behaviour is not as isolated and contained as people assume, and we should be doing everything we possibly can to win, and win quickly, not playing silly games while our enemies plot our permanent eradication.

Hartlepool · 20-05-2008, 06:42 PM

Seems that NG has shifted everything over towards being a NewBNP styled European movement,perhaps he seeks more support from those on the Continent these days.

It could just be a smart move too knowing how bad things have become in central and northern France.

The NewBNP, European Branch,or,how about,New BNPFRANCE?

blueblood1920 · 20-05-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by For_England

well if we don't get a credible replacement to Griffin soon, we will continue to have leadership challenges from moderates like Auty who want to open the party up. Griffin and his gang of thugs have outlasted their time and need to go - but quickly before the moderate (i.e. anti-Muslim but not nationalist) faction gets too powerful. BB - were you at the meeting where Griffin allegedly said that we have to accept that the foreigners and their descendants are here to stay and that we need to work with their community leaders? Sounds just as bad as what I'm hearing about the Auty camp.

If you mean the recent Burnley meeting, then I was there and I dont recall him saying any such thing.

British-Conservatism · 20-05-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress

They happen to be expat workers who are given the boot when their contracts finish or if they get up to mischief. Very very few of these people will ever be given Saudi citizenship and neither will their children who are born in the country. This is in stark contrast to Europe.

So is Catholic Christianity. The Catholic religion was intended to be a standardised international version of Christianity from the outset. For centuries on end after the Protestant reformation, many English people refused to accept that a Catholic could ever be a true Englishman because his loyalty was towards the Pope and the international Catholic community rather than the monarch and country. Nowadays no sane nationalist movement in (mainland) Britain would ever exclude Catholics or consider them as traitors to the nation because of the internationalist globalist nature of the religion.

A similar situation also applies to other religions such as Judaism and Buddhism.

The Africans arnt guest workers but Saudi Citizens.
Saudi all so has a large Black under class.

British-Conservatism · 20-05-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

Seems that the main activist core of the BNP are turning against Auty quickly now, when he loses this election he may have also lost a lot of credability and trust.

Flag waving pakistanis in the BNP

His comment on Islam has definatly finished him.
He may have got 5-10% of the vote now he would not even get that.

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20-05-2008, 05:52 PM	#204 (permalink)
For_England Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,853	well if we don't get a credible replacement to Griffin soon, we will continue to have leadership challenges from moderates like Auty who want to open the party up. Griffin and his gang of thugs have outlasted their time and need to go - but quickly before the moderate (i.e. anti-Muslim but not nationalist) faction gets too powerful. BB - were you at the meeting where Griffin allegedly said that we have to accept that the foreigners and their descendants are here to stay and that we need to work with their community leaders? Sounds just as bad as what I'm hearing about the Auty camp.

20-05-2008, 06:29 PM	#206 (permalink)
For_England Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,853	Auty was right to say that others have their homeland with their own culture - but he didn't say they also have homelands with ethnic solidarity and community. What is so wrong with Europe for Europeans? oh well, I suppose we will either win, or we'll lose (though in the latter case, everyone loses, whatever colour or political persuasion). I think Griffin is stacking the chances against us however. The negative image is there, and we need to be actively undermining it - we don't do that when the leadership runs the party like a dictatorship and election challenges like Mugabe, and surrounds himself with the likes of Collett and Barnes. The pro-Griffins on here are not being honest about the effects of keeping Griffin upon the morale of the party (not to mention constant splits and loss of good activists) and upon the image of the party. We need to be countering the negative image with a positive one. Griffin's behaviour is not as isolated and contained as people assume, and we should be doing everything we possibly can to win, and win quickly, not playing silly games while our enemies plot our permanent eradication.

20-05-2008, 06:42 PM	#207 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,814 Party: Popular Democrats	Seems that NG has shifted everything over towards being a NewBNP styled European movement,perhaps he seeks more support from those on the Continent these days. It could just be a smart move too knowing how bad things have become in central and northern France. The NewBNP, European Branch,or,how about,New BNPFRANCE?