BNP - Leadership Challenge

British-Conservatism · 15-05-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

How do you know what the membership figures are?
How do you know what a large chunk of BNP membership thing all the way in America? Talking to a few cranks on the internet is a far cry from a large chunk of BNP membership.

I would say about 90% of BNP members love him.

British-Conservatism · 15-05-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by For_England

It is wicked. A choice between Auty and Griffin still isn't a choice - the public will not vote for Griffin.

Name me one person in the BNP who would be a better leader than Griffin.

Dissident Congress · 15-05-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

Griffin may not be perfect but hes the best man for the job and to be very honest with you on the streets I dont get people saying I wont vote for you because I dont like your leader. People seem to be making their judgement on our policies rather than our leader, maybe when the party is bigger and has better access to the media then people will start to judge our leader on the same par as they do with the main 3.

Untill you can find me someone who is better than Nick Griffin maybe it would be best if you either get behind the party and push it forward or just leave it and have nothing to do with it untill you are happy with who ever is leader.

How long do you want NG to remain at the helm for? The history of the Labour party in the three or so years before Blair resigned is beginning to repeat itself in the BNP.

Blair outstayed his welcome as leader of Labour simply because there was nobody better to replace him. He resigned last year because he was pressured to do so and didn't want to get booted out like Thatcher did by the expanding "Blair must go" faction of Labour. Do you want something similar to happen to NG? If it does happen then the next BNP leader is likely to be another Gordon Brown which will result in a huge drop in support for the BNP.

Independent Working Class · 15-05-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Name me one person in the BNP who would be a better leader than Griffin.

Jonathan Bowden - but Griffin's C.U.N.T. friends saw that threat off.

gina · 15-05-2008, 10:12 PM

May 15, 2008
They never change: ex-BNP London mayoral candidate and treasurer in anti-Jewish postings
Posted by Denise G 8 Comment (s)
This article was submitted by one of our readers, Hexapla. We welcome any contributions from our supporters (as long as those contributions conform to the law and are in reasonably good taste). Please send your articles to us via email.

Michael Newland and his anti-Jewish postings

Michael ("Mike") Newland, the BNP's former treasurer and ex-London mayoral candidate (and currently treasurer of BNP breakaway group, the Freedom Party) has been a busy boy online.

I recently chanced upon Newland's rather odious and racist anti-Jewish internet postings he'd made under his online nickname 'MikeinCamden'. Under one discussion thread entitled, 'Miliband, Mild Mel and the Joys of Judeocracy', Newland preposterously states:

"Some Jews have a grudge against white people because of Hitler. It's a simple as that. A knee jerk reaction of always supporting attacks on white society. Lots of blacks are just the same over slavery. The behaviour is reinforced by the rewards given to PC persons".

In another thread, 'BNP is now pro-Israel!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!', Newland links his anti-Jewish hate with his disenchantment with Nick Griffin's leadership of the BNP (indeed, following a clash with Nick Griffin, Newland left the BNP with several other BNP members to form a rival racist party, the Freedom party). Posting the following diatribe twice, Newland strangely argues:

"Please! The Jews have cash and Mr Griffin wishes to schmooze forsaking past opinions".

One strongly suspects from the above two posts that the phenomenon of fantasy politics inhabits the mind of Michael Newland, as it does the minds of many members of the far-right from the BNP to the plethora of breakaway groups that the BNP has manifested. Under other topic headings such as 'Spain Breaks Ranks With Jewish Thought Control', 'Re: Dumb Niggers & gloating Jews' and 'Disgraced Jewish Northern Rock Chief Gets 1 Million payoff', Newland makes a series of otherwise banal observations and uninteresting comments.

Unfortunately, within many racist and fascist circles the phantasmagorical figure of the mythical 'Jew' still serves as an all-weather device by which many fascists can overcome their political and intellectual inarticulateness, and direct their various resentments, frustrations and failures at and onto the carefully constructed and anonymous figure of the (non-existent) 'Jew' (this is also equally true of the 'Asian', 'Muslim' and 'Ethnic').

Michael Newland and his tortured relationship with the BNP

It seems that Newland has not learned his lesson from his time in the BNP. I guess it is true what they say – a leopard can't change its spots. And, this leopard certainly doesn't want to change his! Newland is a die-hard fascist and will most probably remain one to his dying days. But, then again this is his choice and he's welcome to it.

Back in the mid-1990s, when Newland was the treasurer of the BNP, he was caught up in the violent feud between the BNP and its then military wing, the neo-nazi terrorist group Combat 18 (1 = A and 8 = H giving AH, the initials of Adolf Hitler). Combat 18 had gone on a frolic and decided to live a life fully independent of its creator and father, the BNP. Combat 18 members turned up at Newland's house in Camden, north London (where Newland still lives today) and beat him up with a hammer. Despite sustaining several broken bones at the hands of his fellow 'nationalists', this didn't deter Newland from persisting with his activism within the BNP.

Then in 1999, Newland stood as the BNP's mayoral candidate for London, openly calling for the deportation of all non-whites living in the UK. The only noteworthy event of his largely forgettable election campaign was that the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) won court injunctions twice against Newland (as well as against BNP leader and Holocaust denier Nick Griffin and another senior BNP official Tony Lecomber, convicted of stabbing a Jewish man in a racist attack) for breach of copyright after the Newland's BNP campaign materials copied a press advertisement from the MPS's 'Race crime is hate crime' campaign and altered the text for the BNP's racist leaflets. The MPS described the BNP leaflet produced by Newland, which carried the MPS's emblems, as "particularly offensive".

But, in August 2000, at the instigation of BNP leader Nick Griffin, Newland was expelled from the BNP over his accusations of internal financial mismanagement. In protest, along with BNP couple Sharron and Steve Edwards and what used to be the BNP's favourite barrister Adrian Davies (who represented Holocaust denier David Irving), Newland formed a rival racist party, the minuscule and largely irrelevant Freedom party (the name seems to be inspired by the successful Austrian fascist party, the Freedom party). Opinions within the BNP on Newland are divided. Some praise Newland as a stalwart of the 'old' BNP, the time when the BNP openly and proudly displayed its hard fascism for all to see (unlike the 'soft fascism' that one sees under the BNP's current leadership). Others openly emit distrust towards Newland, even accusing him of supplying anti-fascists with what they consider to be misinformation: that as a sick anti-Jewish joke, Nick Griffin keeps two pigs, one named Ann and the other named Frank, as a play on the name 'Anne Frank' (the famous young diarist murdered during the Holocaust by the nazis). This is what one BNP internet poster called 'Sweetpea' says about Newland on this very issue:

"The Anne and Frank lie comes from one Mike Newland, the one-time BNP Treasurer with whom we parted company years ago when he went off to co-found a now defunct rival semi-nationalist party. It was he who suggested the names by way of one of the warped jokes of which he was fond, but they were never used except once, in order to tease a very humourless left-wing neighbour."

Source: Burnley Web - Discussion Forum for Burnley

Frozen out of the BNP, Newland's only outlet is the internet in the form of his anti-Jewish and anti-nonwhite postings. It's a sad life. But, this is the choice that fascists and racists make. ¡No Pasarán!

blueblood1920 · 15-05-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dissident Congress

How long do you want NG to remain at the helm for? The history of the Labour party in the three or so years before Blair resigned is beginning to repeat itself in the BNP.

Blair outstayed his welcome as leader of Labour simply because there was nobody better to replace him. He resigned last year because he was pressured to do so and didn't want to get booted out like Thatcher did by the expanding "Blair must go" faction of Labour. Do you want something similar to happen to NG? If it does happen then the next BNP leader is likely to be another Gordon Brown which will result in a huge drop in support for the BNP.

The fact is Nick Griffin is enjoying plenty of support from party members, very few want him to go apart from a few paranoid internet cranks. These very same cranks are spreading lies about supposed statements at meetings that I have been at as I like to travel around to support the BNP. Also part of that travelling lets me get to feel the feeling towards issues such as feelings towards Nick, and from what I have experienced the membership is behind him and he has a few more years yet.

I would like to see Nick stay as long as possible, I cant say how long that will be but I have faith in him and his leadership.

blueblood1920 · 15-05-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Independent Working Class

Jonathan Bowden - but Griffin's C.U.N.T. friends saw that threat off.

Bowden, good speaker. Activist- No (Griffin is an activist).
Could he handle Paxman, we dont know.
He is a clever man, mainly around culture but does he have the general knowledge of Griffin? I dont think he does.

I think Bowden is better to support a leader, rather than be a leader. However thats for him to prove me wrong.

blueblood1920 · 15-05-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gina

Frozen out of the BNP, Newland's only outlet is the internet in the form of his anti-Jewish and anti-nonwhite postings. It's a sad life. But, this is the choice that fascists and racists make. ¡No Pasarán!

Sounds like Griffin did the right thing in getting rid of this crank.

Dissident Congress · 15-05-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

The fact is Nick Griffin is enjoying plenty of support from party members, very few want him to go apart from a few paranoid internet cranks. These very same cranks are spreading lies about supposed statements at meetings that I have been at as I like to travel around to support the BNP. Also part of that travelling lets me get to feel the feeling towards issues such as feelings towards Nick, and from what I have experienced the membership is behind him and he has a few more years yet.

I would like to see Nick stay as long as possible, I cant say how long that will be but I have faith in him and his leadership.

Inside sources in the Labour party have provided me with the news that over two thirds of the Labour party membership in early 2007 had plenty of faith and trust in Tony Blair, who they considered to be the most remarkable and successful Labour leader in history. Most members of Labour held the view that much of the opposition to Blair came from Old Labour cranks who wouldn't accept NuLab changes, and opponents of the Iraq war.

I'm not sure how anyone can say "the membership is behind him (NG)" considering the poor turnout at the last leadership election. It would be logical to say only those who voted for NG are behind him, and those who didn't vote, voted for none of the above.

BB. How long have you been a member of the BNP?

kiwi ukipper · 16-05-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Name me one person in the BNP who would be a better leader than Griffin.

Barnbrook?

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gina Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 53	May 15, 2008 They never change: ex-BNP London mayoral candidate and treasurer in anti-Jewish postings Posted by Denise G 8 Comment (s) This article was submitted by one of our readers, Hexapla. We welcome any contributions from our supporters (as long as those contributions conform to the law and are in reasonably good taste). Please send your articles to us via email. Michael Newland and his anti-Jewish postings Michael ("Mike") Newland, the BNP's former treasurer and ex-London mayoral candidate (and currently treasurer of BNP breakaway group, the Freedom Party) has been a busy boy online. I recently chanced upon Newland's rather odious and racist anti-Jewish internet postings he'd made under his online nickname 'MikeinCamden'. Under one discussion thread entitled, 'Miliband, Mild Mel and the Joys of Judeocracy', Newland preposterously states: "Some Jews have a grudge against white people because of Hitler. It's a simple as that. A knee jerk reaction of always supporting attacks on white society. Lots of blacks are just the same over slavery. The behaviour is reinforced by the rewards given to PC persons". In another thread, 'BNP is now pro-Israel!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!', Newland links his anti-Jewish hate with his disenchantment with Nick Griffin's leadership of the BNP (indeed, following a clash with Nick Griffin, Newland left the BNP with several other BNP members to form a rival racist party, the Freedom party). Posting the following diatribe twice, Newland strangely argues: "Please! The Jews have cash and Mr Griffin wishes to schmooze forsaking past opinions". One strongly suspects from the above two posts that the phenomenon of fantasy politics inhabits the mind of Michael Newland, as it does the minds of many members of the far-right from the BNP to the plethora of breakaway groups that the BNP has manifested. Under other topic headings such as 'Spain Breaks Ranks With Jewish Thought Control', 'Re: Dumb Niggers & gloating Jews' and 'Disgraced Jewish Northern Rock Chief Gets 1 Million payoff', Newland makes a series of otherwise banal observations and uninteresting comments. Unfortunately, within many racist and fascist circles the phantasmagorical figure of the mythical 'Jew' still serves as an all-weather device by which many fascists can overcome their political and intellectual inarticulateness, and direct their various resentments, frustrations and failures at and onto the carefully constructed and anonymous figure of the (non-existent) 'Jew' (this is also equally true of the 'Asian', 'Muslim' and 'Ethnic'). Michael Newland and his tortured relationship with the BNP It seems that Newland has not learned his lesson from his time in the BNP. I guess it is true what they say – a leopard can't change its spots. And, this leopard certainly doesn't want to change his! Newland is a die-hard fascist and will most probably remain one to his dying days. But, then again this is his choice and he's welcome to it. Back in the mid-1990s, when Newland was the treasurer of the BNP, he was caught up in the violent feud between the BNP and its then military wing, the neo-nazi terrorist group Combat 18 (1 = A and 8 = H giving AH, the initials of Adolf Hitler). Combat 18 had gone on a frolic and decided to live a life fully independent of its creator and father, the BNP. Combat 18 members turned up at Newland's house in Camden, north London (where Newland still lives today) and beat him up with a hammer. Despite sustaining several broken bones at the hands of his fellow 'nationalists', this didn't deter Newland from persisting with his activism within the BNP. Then in 1999, Newland stood as the BNP's mayoral candidate for London, openly calling for the deportation of all non-whites living in the UK. The only noteworthy event of his largely forgettable election campaign was that the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) won court injunctions twice against Newland (as well as against BNP leader and Holocaust denier Nick Griffin and another senior BNP official Tony Lecomber, convicted of stabbing a Jewish man in a racist attack) for breach of copyright after the Newland's BNP campaign materials copied a press advertisement from the MPS's 'Race crime is hate crime' campaign and altered the text for the BNP's racist leaflets. The MPS described the BNP leaflet produced by Newland, which carried the MPS's emblems, as "particularly offensive". But, in August 2000, at the instigation of BNP leader Nick Griffin, Newland was expelled from the BNP over his accusations of internal financial mismanagement. In protest, along with BNP couple Sharron and Steve Edwards and what used to be the BNP's favourite barrister Adrian Davies (who represented Holocaust denier David Irving), Newland formed a rival racist party, the minuscule and largely irrelevant Freedom party (the name seems to be inspired by the successful Austrian fascist party, the Freedom party). Opinions within the BNP on Newland are divided. Some praise Newland as a stalwart of the 'old' BNP, the time when the BNP openly and proudly displayed its hard fascism for all to see (unlike the 'soft fascism' that one sees under the BNP's current leadership). Others openly emit distrust towards Newland, even accusing him of supplying anti-fascists with what they consider to be misinformation: that as a sick anti-Jewish joke, Nick Griffin keeps two pigs, one named Ann and the other named Frank, as a play on the name 'Anne Frank' (the famous young diarist murdered during the Holocaust by the nazis). This is what one BNP internet poster called 'Sweetpea' says about Newland on this very issue: "The Anne and Frank lie comes from one Mike Newland, the one-time BNP Treasurer with whom we parted company years ago when he went off to co-found a now defunct rival semi-nationalist party. It was he who suggested the names by way of one of the warped jokes of which he was fond, but they were never used except once, in order to tease a very humourless left-wing neighbour." Source: Burnley Web - Discussion Forum for Burnley Frozen out of the BNP, Newland's only outlet is the internet in the form of his anti-Jewish and anti-nonwhite postings. It's a sad life. But, this is the choice that fascists and racists make. ¡No Pasarán!