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Old 13-05-2008, 05:14 PM   #101 (permalink)
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This appears to contradict what both Hunter and the BNP Birmingham branch has said.

Christian values and Christianity as a religion are two completely different things.

With respect DC but what BB has stated does not contradict what I have said. The BNP will not ban or interfere in any religion in Britain. What we do not want, however, is to have any religion telling us how we should run the country, or demand that we, as British, accept their ways over our own.

A far cry from the present situation where the only religion which appears to be benefiting from the mass hand-outs by this Government is Islam. The question which should be asked about this is why?

Nobody seems to be worried, for example, that a hugh Mosque is being planned for the London Olympics. It will be situated opposit the main enterance to the Main Stadium for the events. A Christian church (Apostolic I believe) used to be situated on that site. The members were promised another building built for them at another location. Neither location or building has been forthcoming....as yet.

The way in which Red Ken and BoJo were crawling all over the Muslim community should give people cause to wonder what was promised by whom.

The point I make? It is not the individual Muslims who are a problem, it is the manner in which the system is allowing the religion to intrude on our way of life, threatning individuals and areas alike. If the Government were to enforce the laws designed to protect everyone, without worrying about the PC consequences of their actions, things would probably be a lot different. As it is, with the amount to electoral fraud thats been going on, with the 'Asian' community being responsible for the majority of it and mainly in favour of NuLabour, there is little chance anything will be done by way of change.
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Old 13-05-2008, 06:13 PM   #102 (permalink)
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I found the tone of that piece in the blog mentioned distasteful in the extreme. I have no idea of the marital status of Mr & Mrs Jones and frankly (like any sane person) I do not care, except that I would sympathise with anyone undergoing relationship difficulties. I do know that David Jones has worked hard for the BNP, despite his disability, and deserves praise from his contemporaries for that.

Yes he has sided with the "rebels", while most BNP members have sided with the status quo, including myself.

However, I will always condemn personal attacks of this nature and do so here. Secondly, all party members have the right to criticise the party leadership, as long as its conducted in a sensible, mature and rational manner in accordance with the rules of membership.

I unreservedly support the right of free speech within the BNP, and always have done. We should not be afraid of the truth, only lies, innuendo and hypocrisy.
Clearly you have much to learn about the BNP and its leadership. It is commonly understood that the blog to which you refer is intimately connected to the Welshpool Mafia. Moreover it is only a matter of degree that the covert blog differs from officially acknowledged examples such as Barnes' parade of imbecility. Even the more tempered examples such of Darby's and the Green Arrows' are full of shameless spin of the crudest variety frequently amounting to lies and invariably consisting of pure Stalinist propaganda.

You may find this diet of low quality contemptuous crud distasteful, which would put you in a group consisting of everyone of more discernment and class than the Griffin pathetic groupies. Whether you like it or not you have aligned yourself with these people, expect to be judged accordingly.

For an member of the BNP you appear to be cruelly misinformed, why don't you try and excise your right of internal freedom of speech and see how you get on?
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Old 13-05-2008, 10:04 PM   #103 (permalink)
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With respect DC but what BB has stated does not contradict what I have said. The BNP will not ban or interfere in any religion in Britain. What we do not want, however, is to have any religion telling us how we should run the country, or demand that we, as British, accept their ways over our own.
BB mentioned "The BNP or its members are not opposed to Islam because its a popular thing, but because we feel deeply that it us a wicked evil religion that has no place in British society."

This could be interpreted as a pending ban on Islam in Britain which contradicts the BNP policy that you have stated.
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What a bunch of irrational, small minded and unintelligent savages.
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BB mentioned "The BNP or its members are not opposed to Islam because its a popular thing, but because we feel deeply that it us a wicked evil religion that has no place in British society."

This could be interpreted as a pending ban on Islam in Britain which contradicts the BNP policy that you have stated.
From my reading of hundreds of BNP articles and blogs, I 'suspect' that the BNP would effectively make Islam outlawed de facto, by banning halal meat and other regulations. Well, so what? I hope they do. There are plenty of countries where Muslims can practice their religion and usually alternative religions are not permitted. Those countries that are not Muslim are suicidal to give Islam a foothold in their lands. We need some teeth and backbone again.
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Old 14-05-2008, 07:49 AM   #106 (permalink)
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Question: What's the BNP's policy on Islam?

Answer: It depends on which BNP member you're asking.

There are many BNP members who say the BNP's policy on Islam is similar to that stated by Hunter. Even the BNP Birmingham banch says that white Muslims can join providing they support democracy and oppose Sharia law. BNP members in this faction tend to talk about Muslims rather than Islam and how the Muslims are trying to takeover this country and the establishment is pandering to their interests. This faction wants a clampdown on Islamic extremism but has no problem with moderate Muslims.

Other BNP members come out with statements similar to those of BB which directly attack Islam itself. People in this faction tend to talk about Islam the religion rather than Muslims, and say things like "wicked evil religion", "it has no place in British society", or the "new Nazis". Most of the people in this faction want Islam outlawed in Britain and ALL Muslims deported.

Where does this fit in with the BNP Leadership challenge?

There is a greater tendency for those in the "outlaw Islam" faction to be loyal to NG and his cronies. They support NG because of his Islamophobic stance and the way he uses it to win support.

A considerable proportion of the people in the "Hunter" faction are traditional patriots who are tired of all this Islam bashing and want the BNP to focus on real nationalism. They are also concerned that many of the recently recruited Islamophobe members are not real nationalists and have no interest in patriotism. People in this faction are fed up with NG and his cronies running the show and want to see the leadership challenged.
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Question: What's the BNP's policy on Islam?

Answer: It depends on which BNP member you're asking.

There are many BNP members who say the BNP's policy on Islam is similar to that stated by Hunter. Even the BNP Birmingham banch says that white Muslims can join providing they support democracy and oppose Sharia law. BNP members in this faction tend to talk about Muslims rather than Islam and how the Muslims are trying to takeover this country and the establishment is pandering to their interests. This faction wants a clampdown on Islamic extremism but has no problem with moderate Muslims.

Other BNP members come out with statements similar to those of BB which directly attack Islam itself. People in this faction tend to talk about Islam the religion rather than Muslims, and say things like "wicked evil religion", "it has no place in British society", or the "new Nazis". Most of the people in this faction want Islam outlawed in Britain and ALL Muslims deported.

Where does this fit in with the BNP Leadership challenge?

There is a greater tendency for those in the "outlaw Islam" faction to be loyal to NG and his cronies. They support NG because of his Islamophobic stance and the way he uses it to win support.

A considerable proportion of the people in the "Hunter" faction are traditional patriots who are tired of all this Islam bashing and want the BNP to focus on real nationalism. They are also concerned that many of the recently recruited Islamophobe members are not real nationalists and have no interest in patriotism. People in this faction are fed up with NG and his cronies running the show and want to see the leadership challenged.
We are not against muslims as people, we are against their religion. They are poor deluded brainwashed people, they however have a choice whether to follow the wicked religion or turn their back on it. Across Europe nazism is banned because of its crimes, however Islam is not despite Islam led by the Grand Mufti was one of the main supporters of the final solution. Islam is just like Nazism in the sence that it is a belief, a ideology and wicked.

Anyone who think that you can trust muslims who say they are moderate are deluded, how can you trust a religion that permits people to lie about their faith through something called Al Taqqiya? I have never met a member of the BNP who wants muslims as members, and I would like to meet them to have a discussion with them if it is true.
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...They are poor deluded brainwashed people...
Much like your average Griffinite.

Its a crying shame; policy-wise the BNP are leaning the right way. But their leader thinks Napoleon the Pig's leadership model is something to be admired!
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SSHHHHH! That sort of challenge to a Griffinite will get you branded:

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'Looks like a nonce' (Covert Blog)
I forgot you could also be dual branded a 'Commie-Nazi' - As Simon Darby will tell one group of people you are a 'red' and another group you are a neo-nazi!
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I have never met a member of the BNP who wants muslims as members, and I would like to meet them to have a discussion with them if it is true.
I think you had better discuss this with Hunter.

I'm finding the situation very confusing and also wondering if the BNP has clearly defined policies on anything apart from immigration. Chasing popular opinion makes a highly volatile party.
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