News: Peers: Devolution has damaged Union

Westcountryman · 05-05-2008, 12:12 PM

Peers: Devolution has damaged Union

A new survey has found that 80 per cent of peers believe devolution has damaged the Union.

A decade on from the Scotland and Wales Acts and the Good Friday agreement, designed in part to see off the threat of separatism, the poll of members of the House of Lords found a vast majority believe the opposite to be true.

Three-fifths of peers (60 per cent) said that establishing the Holyrood parliament and Stormont and Welsh assemblies had boosted nationalism slightly, while 20 per cent said it had done so greatly.

Three quarters of Labour peers (75 per cent) and half of Liberal Democrats (50 per cent), the two pro-Union parties who pushed through the legislation, also agreed.

In contrast, just 11 per cent of peers said the process had strengthened or slightly strengthened the Union.

The results of the first ever Dods Polling peers panel were published by ePolitix.com on Monday.

Other findings included the fact that 59 per cent of peers think there should be a selective amnesty allowing illegal immigrants to earn British citizenship and stay in the UK.

Just over a third of members of the second chamber (35 per cent) said no such amnesty should be granted.

A narrow majority of peers (51 per cent) also agreed or strongly agreed that the government should make new laws that would require supermarkets to responsibly price alcohol. Only a third (34 per cent) disagreed or strongly disagreed.

And a majority (57 per cent) agreed or strongly agreed with the chancellor's decision announced last year to tax non-domiciled residents £30,000 per year. A third (34 per cent) disagreed or strongly disagreed.

Dods Polling interviewed 155 members of the House of Lords from March 6–27 by online and postal methods.

Source: ePolitix.com - Peers: Devolution has damaged Union

BonnieDundee · 06-05-2008, 12:08 AM

It depends how you define damaging the union or what the union is to you. To me it is simply that our island has the same head of the state and borders etc.

You could say devolution strengthened the union by at least temporarily lowering the wish for independence in Scotland and Wales. It is also far more democratic.

Little Englander (sour) · 06-05-2008, 10:01 AM

"it is also far more democratic"

What is democratic about disenfranchising 85% of the population?
What is democratic about English patients dying because they nare denied the drugs available in Scotland?
What is democratric about the Welsh getting their prescriptions free of charge and the English paying £7 45 per item.
What is democratic about ... of fcuk off you pillock.

arden forester · 06-05-2008, 10:17 AM

And you were going so well!!

g hall · 06-05-2008, 04:31 PM

Nice to see the peers are on the ball the in-breeding sorry, hereditary principle working well

I see Little Englander is now taking marketing slogans for rubbish companies like French Connection

BonnieDundee · 11-05-2008, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour)

"it is also far more democratic"

What is democratic about disenfranchising 85% of the population?
What is democratic about English patients dying because they nare denied the drugs available in Scotland?
What is democratric about the Welsh getting their prescriptions free of charge and the English paying £7 45 per item.
What is democratic about ... of fcuk off you pillock.

I was talking about Scotland obviously you moron. That the English haven't devolved their own parliament is unfortunate and they should as soon as possible this doesn't change3 the fact it hzas been mopre democratic in the countries it was introduce. You are a rude and ignorant ******, **** off.

05-05-2008, 12:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	Peers: Devolution has damaged Union Peers: Devolution has damaged Union A new survey has found that 80 per cent of peers believe devolution has damaged the Union. A decade on from the Scotland and Wales Acts and the Good Friday agreement, designed in part to see off the threat of separatism, the poll of members of the House of Lords found a vast majority believe the opposite to be true. Three-fifths of peers (60 per cent) said that establishing the Holyrood parliament and Stormont and Welsh assemblies had boosted nationalism slightly, while 20 per cent said it had done so greatly. Three quarters of Labour peers (75 per cent) and half of Liberal Democrats (50 per cent), the two pro-Union parties who pushed through the legislation, also agreed. In contrast, just 11 per cent of peers said the process had strengthened or slightly strengthened the Union. The results of the first ever Dods Polling peers panel were published by ePolitix.com on Monday. Other findings included the fact that 59 per cent of peers think there should be a selective amnesty allowing illegal immigrants to earn British citizenship and stay in the UK. Just over a third of members of the second chamber (35 per cent) said no such amnesty should be granted. A narrow majority of peers (51 per cent) also agreed or strongly agreed that the government should make new laws that would require supermarkets to responsibly price alcohol. Only a third (34 per cent) disagreed or strongly disagreed. And a majority (57 per cent) agreed or strongly agreed with the chancellor's decision announced last year to tax non-domiciled residents £30,000 per year. A third (34 per cent) disagreed or strongly disagreed. Dods Polling interviewed 155 members of the House of Lords from March 6–27 by online and postal methods. Source: ePolitix.com - Peers: Devolution has damaged Union __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

06-05-2008, 12:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,658	It depends how you define damaging the union or what the union is to you. To me it is simply that our island has the same head of the state and borders etc. You could say devolution strengthened the union by at least temporarily lowering the wish for independence in Scotland and Wales. It is also far more democratic. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

06-05-2008, 10:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 899 Party: English Democrats	"it is also far more democratic" What is democratic about disenfranchising 85% of the population? What is democratic about English patients dying because they nare denied the drugs available in Scotland? What is democratric about the Welsh getting their prescriptions free of charge and the English paying £7 45 per item. What is democratic about ... of fcuk off you pillock. __________________ Little Englander (bigoted)

06-05-2008, 10:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,660 Party: None	And you were going so well!! __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

06-05-2008, 04:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erehwon Posts: 5,233	Nice to see the peers are on the ball the in-breeding sorry, hereditary principle working well I see Little Englander is now taking marketing slogans for rubbish companies like French Connection __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."

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