Advice Boycott of BNP in London Assembly - Page 3

The Bear · 05-05-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vortex

Actually I believe that I am one of the most accomodating debaters on this forum, its just that I prefer to deal with facts and issues with clarity rather than engaging in semantics.

So finally you come out and admit to being ant-semantic then!

Vortex · 05-05-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

So finally you come out and admit to being ant-semantic then!

Good one Bear!

g hall · 05-05-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tito

Simple

1) It is immoral to facilitate the BNP (and Labour, and the Tories, and the Lib Dems for that matter.)

2) It is your job to facilitate immoral people

If 1 prevents you from doing 2 then you quit.

Sorry Tito in areas of morality it is opinion not fact and there are of course people who can accommodate many different moralities for example Gordon Brown who professes to be a Christian but is happy to break some of the commandments as did his chum Tony Blair

zbrahead · 05-05-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by g hall

Sorry Tito in areas of morality it is opinion not fact and there are of course people who can accommodate many different moralities for example Gordon Brown who professes to be a Christian but is happy to break some of the commandments as did his chum Tony Blair

The commandments? NOONE fully obeys those.

JTSutherland · 05-05-2008, 03:09 PM

Suppose a Muslim cleric refused to work for a Jew, or pro-war politician, or a woman, or a homosexual? How about someone who refused to work for a pro-EU politician? It surely wouldn't have been difficult to think of reasons to not work for Ken Livingstone.

The 200,000 people who voted for BNP also pay for an administration and expect their money to be spent effectively. If the clerics want to be paid by their bosses, i.e. the voters, they should do their job, or otherwise not expect to be paid.

Popeye · 05-05-2008, 03:59 PM

More to the point, if a white Brit refused to work for an ethnic minority representative because he/she didn't share his/her views do you think he/she would be praised as morally principled or be condemned as bigoted, prosecuted for breach of anti-discrimination law and fired?

Wowbanger TIP · 06-05-2008, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vortex

I love that quote from some on this board "I dislike the BNP and all it stands for", when the BNP advocates withdrawal from the EU. So you're against that are you?

But thanks for the support in upholding the rights of democratically elected councillors in doing their job for their electors, of which 200,000 voted BNP.

200,000? I had it as 130,000, the Green Party got 200,000 perhaps this what you were thinking of?

tito · 06-05-2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by g hall

Sorry Tito in areas of morality it is opinion not fact and there are of course people who can accommodate many different moralities for example Gordon Brown who professes to be a Christian but is happy to break some of the commandments as did his chum Tony Blair

I am an Objectivist, remember.

Reason shows me that morality is objective and concrete.

Mikeuk · 06-05-2008, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tito

I am an Objectivist, remember.

Reason shows me that morality is objective and concrete.

Whose reason? That of Plato or the tenth division charlatan Ayn Rand?

22ANDUK · 06-05-2008, 09:05 AM

Well what's done is done, just over 5% of London has voted for (and elected) the BNP. For whatever reason they'll have to now get on with it.

Largely it's a shame that UKIP could not have taken that place, but that looked unlikely, though the seat going to Greens for 3, One London retaining one, or even Christian Voice etc. is also a shame.

I wonder if Richard Barnbrook stays part of the BNP though and not break off to form a 'Veritas-One London' splinter called 'Real London First' or something. I reckon a lot of members, and probably himself, see him as an alternative leader to Nick Griffin. Perhaps any BNP members out there can clarify this?

What powers/perks do the London Assembly Members have anyway and what's the pay? What can the BNP now do that they couldn't not previously do?

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05-05-2008, 03:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
JTSutherland Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Blighty Posts: 18	Suppose a Muslim cleric refused to work for a Jew, or pro-war politician, or a woman, or a homosexual? How about someone who refused to work for a pro-EU politician? It surely wouldn't have been difficult to think of reasons to not work for Ken Livingstone. The 200,000 people who voted for BNP also pay for an administration and expect their money to be spent effectively. If the clerics want to be paid by their bosses, i.e. the voters, they should do their job, or otherwise not expect to be paid.

05-05-2008, 03:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
Popeye Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 165	More to the point, if a white Brit refused to work for an ethnic minority representative because he/she didn't share his/her views do you think he/she would be praised as morally principled or be condemned as bigoted, prosecuted for breach of anti-discrimination law and fired?

06-05-2008, 09:05 AM	#30 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,319	Well what's done is done, just over 5% of London has voted for (and elected) the BNP. For whatever reason they'll have to now get on with it. Largely it's a shame that UKIP could not have taken that place, but that looked unlikely, though the seat going to Greens for 3, One London retaining one, or even Christian Voice etc. is also a shame. I wonder if Richard Barnbrook stays part of the BNP though and not break off to form a 'Veritas-One London' splinter called 'Real London First' or something. I reckon a lot of members, and probably himself, see him as an alternative leader to Nick Griffin. Perhaps any BNP members out there can clarify this? What powers/perks do the London Assembly Members have anyway and what's the pay? What can the BNP now do that they couldn't not previously do?