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Old 30-04-2008, 03:41 AM   #51 (permalink)
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>> We believe that if the EU is to have a currency and an economic policy, it must be possible for the people of the EU to change it as a result of an election.

>> To dramatically revise the structure of the Commission, by making all the staff accountable.

>> To democratise all the institutions of the EU.


The Greens are not against the EU in principle are they?

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EMU: The Single Currency
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EU420 Economic and Monetary Union is the central element of the economic project of European integration, defined in the Maastricht Treaty. The single currency, the Euro, was launched in 2002.

EU421 To qualify to join that currency member countries must meet economic convergence criteria; the effect of these is to reduce public spending and increase social problems. The single currency is controlled by the European Central Bank (ECB), able to fine member countries of the EMU under a Stability Pact if they do not meet the bankers' criteria.

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EU422 The Green Party is opposed to EMU and the single currency. We believe it will undermine local and regional economies away from the centre of the EU and the metropolitan network connected to that. It will encourage capital flight, and increase social and economic inequality. EMU takes no account of environmental or social criteria. It is run by the ECB, a collection of bankers subject to no effective democratic control, but able to override the democratic decisions made by member countries.

EU423 The Green Party would prefer that the project does not go ahead, and we do not wish our country to join it. We are committed to a referendum on any such decision and will join the campaign for a "No" vote in any such referendum. Prior to a referendum being called, the Green Party will join whichever campaign against the single currency it feels has most in common with its principles.

EU424 In the event of a decision that the UK join the single currency having been taken, we will assess its impact before making a decision on the principle and timing of withdrawal.
They are opposed to the Euro and will vote against it. They say they want it to be changeable by election so if we are forced into the Eurozone then we may be able to vote ourselves out of it. It's called a safeguard. They are trying to protect us from the EU. Read stuff before you argue against something!!!!!!!!!
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There are some contradictory policies between different European Green Parties. For example, the English Greens oppose VAT because it is a regressive tax and is of no benefit to the environment, so they share some common ground with UKIP. The German Greens support(ed) EU VAT harmonisation to make free trade easier.
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They are opposed to the Euro and will vote against it. They say they want it to be changeable by election so if we are forced into the Eurozone then we may be able to vote ourselves out of it. It's called a safeguard. They are trying to protect us from the EU. Read stuff before you argue against something!!!!!!!!!
Clearly, I can read better than you.

The Greens are not opposed to the EU in principle.
That is all I need to know.

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Didn't I tell you at a DC meeting that the English Greens were not a freestanding independent party, but merely the English division of a shadowy international organisation that calls the shots and pulls the strings of Green Parties worldwide?!
Yes you did DC.
You know how the Greens *work* better than most.
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I'm with you on this one Populist Lee.

The Greens don't support national sovereignty. If anything their objections to the EU are because it is not leading satisfactorily towards the one world government.
Yes. It's so obvious.
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What are your thoughts on a UKIP/Liberal Party/Green Party alliance?

I was just looking at some papers I have and realised the Greens are anti-EU and have some very good policies.

We should perhaps offer a coalition in local, National and European elections.
In my opinion the Greens are the best British party out there and the general enviromentalist movement does have some real decent people as well as some less good.
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Yes. It's so obvious.
This is not true. The Green and enviromentalist movements are very broad and includ some genuinely decentralist people. People like Leopold Kohr and Fritz Schumacher and similar. Many of them go further than national sovereignty and want more regional and local sovereignty. This group of Greens are about as far away from "One worlders" as you can get.

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In my opinion the Greens are the best British party out there and the general enviromentalist movement does have some real decent people as well as some less good.
The general environmentalist movement has many decent people but the Greens are a watermelon - green on the outside and red on the inside.

The Greens have admitted they stand quite separate and apart from the general environmentalism movement. Join the Greens and find many gay rights campaigners for Equatorial Guinea, but almost nobody willing to do any local environmental activism.
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The general environmentalist movement has many decent people but the Greens are a watermelon - green on the outside and red on the inside.

The Greens have admitted they stand quite separate and apart from the general environmentalism movement. Join the Greens and find many gay rights campaigners for Equatorial Guinea, but almost nobody willing to do any local environmental activism.
I don't have anything against leftists personally. I'm a libertarian and decentralist and we come in many flavours and I embrace them all socialist or capitalist, left or right. In fact the left historically have been a slight majority of libertarians and decentralists.
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I really don't know why everyone's obsessed with these minor-party alliances/coalitions.

I honestly think they'd do UKIP more harm than good.
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