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Old 26-04-2008, 09:55 AM   #51 (permalink)
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The BNP is anti fascist in about the same way and to the same degree that the Nazi's were humanitarian.

As for the possibility of there being "Jewish" members of the BNP, even if true and there is no evidence that it is, I have always maintained that there are decent people who don’t see through the smoke and mirrors.

But why pick on Jesish as being important? How many Muslim members? How many “Yardies”, British born, British bred, Black as their cousins in Jamaica, but British just as much as you or I?

Come out with some of those groups and then you might be able to make claims about the cosmopolitan and multi ethnic qualities about the BRITISH National Party.
Ruth Smeed, of the Board of Deputies, said: "The BNP website is now one of the most Zionist on the web - it goes further than any of the mainstream parties in its support of Israel and at the same time demonises Islam and the Muslim world. They are actively campaigning in Jewish communities, particularly in London, making a lot of their one Jewish councillor, their support of Israel and attacking Muslims. It is a poisonous campaign but it shows a growing electoral sophistication."

The editor of BNP newspaper Freedom, Martin Wingfield, wrote on his blog recently: "There has been a growing dialogue between senior members of the Jewish community and the BNP and today there are an increasing number of Jews campaigning for the BNP and feeling very comfortable with their political choice."
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The BNP leader all so met with Rabbi Mayer Schiller a few years ago and received a £180 donation from him.
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Ah so the BNP is not anti-semitic but zionist, that is quite a relief...


Look the BNP is racist, everyone knows this, it is basically a neo-fascist outfit. This is not an image you will get rid of, so don't even bother. I mean one of the myriad reasons I wouldn't vote for them is that if they managed to win a general election I'd fear they would not hold any more free elections.

Can I say I find your name puzzling BC, I don't see Edmund Burke coming through your posts. This is unfortunate I must say, he was truly brilliant even if I disagree with him on many things.
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Ah so the BNP is not anti-semitic but zionist, that is quite a relief...


Look the BNP is racist, everyone knows this, it is basically a neo-fascist outfit. This is not an image you will get rid of, so don't even bother. I mean one of the myriad reasons I wouldn't vote for them is that if they managed to win a general election I'd fear they would not hold any more free elections.

Can I say I find your name puzzling BC, I don't see Edmund Burke coming through your posts. This is unfortunate I must say, he was truly brilliant even if I disagree with him on many things.
Disraeli is the father of democratic conservatism.
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In 1872 Disraeli had made a keynote populist speech at Crystal Palace. In it he said “the people of England and especially the working class of England, are proud of belonging to a great country, and wish to maintain its greatness - that they are proud of belonging to an Imperial country.” Furthermore, he declared, Britain could be “a great country, an imperial country, a country where your sons, when they rise, rise to paramount positions, and obtain not merely the esteem of their countrymen, but command the respect of the world.”
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In 1842 Disraeli helped to form an ultra-patriotic faction within the Tory Party called the Young England Group. Most supporters of the group were young aristocrats. They believed that Britain would be best governed by a paternalistic landed aristocracy which dedicated itself to reform the conditions suffered by the working class. They held that the aristocracy should have a sense of duty and should not abuse its privileged position. Young England was part of the Romantic movement and for inspiration borrowed heavily from the writings of William Cobbett and Thomas Carlyle. Disraeli was older than most of the other Young England backbenchers, but they were united in their opposition to utilitarian and materialistic liberalism.

Many of the legislative policies which Disraeli was later to put into practice, such as the Public Health Act, were first advocated by Young England. Disraeli’s policy in government was to resist the more rapacious excesses perpetrated by the manufacturers and to seek to create a new enlightened and paternalistic industrial baronage. Disraeli’s later Imperialism can also be seen as an extension of the ideas of Young England. A synthesis of working class populism with the aristocratic administration of the Empire. To the benefit of all, including the industrialists eager for markets in which to sell their wares.

This is the basis for what became known as ‘One Nation Toryism’ and was the beginning of a specifically nationally-minded political tradition in Britain. Previously this had not been necessary as all politicians could be assumed to have had a ‘national’ outlook. But by the mid-nineteenth century international do-gooding liberalism had begun to take hold. Young England and ‘One Nation Toryism’ were a reaction to that development.
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One of the men responsible for the poor houses I believe (which is ironic since most people today for some reason believe the poor houses to be a product of rampant capitalism...).

P.S. Bonnie Dundee, as to our libertarianism discussion - I think live and let live is the best solution.
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One of the men responsible for the poor houses I believe (which is ironic since most people today for some reason believe the poor houses to be a product of rampant capitalism...).

P.S. Bonnie Dundee, as to our libertarianism discussion - I think live and let live is the best solution.
The workhouse was around long before Disraelis time.
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The workhouse was around long before Disraelis time.
Indeed, but never to the huge national extent that it was during the Victorian era.

However, there were other politicians who were far more influential in this matter than Disraeli.
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