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Old 22-04-2008, 06:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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So it's either a DoS attack, or it's simply you a case you don't have enough bandwidth combined with poor programming or a poorly set up webserver that's brought your website down?

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Old 22-04-2008, 07:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
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So it's either a DoS attack, or it's simply you a case you don't have enough bandwidth combined with poor programming or a poorly set up webserver that's brought your website down?

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Bear, without using a lot of cliches, please explain to people who don't see things as clearly as you, what is "the foul ideology at the heart of the BNP"?
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Bear, without using a lot of cliches, please explain to people who don't see things as clearly as you, what is "the foul ideology at the heart of the BNP"?
And please include your political affiliation/sympathies/support so we can have a reference point on your opinions...
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Bear, without using a lot of cliches, please explain to people who don't see things as clearly as you, what is "the foul ideology at the heart of the BNP"?
In a word, racism.
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And please include your political affiliation/sympathies/support so we can have a reference point on your opinions...
No I will not.

Such, if any, political affiliation or sympathies or support that I have in the political domain are personal and of no business to anyone other than myself.

In any case, why should I have any particular political affiliation or sympathies or support?

Is it so impossible to believe that someone might be able to simply comment on things in general without having to affiliate with any organisation?

The one thing I will say is that I have less than zero sympathy for any racist organisation or “political” party let alone would offer support to such.
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Fair enough. If you wish to keep your political affiliations secret, that's your choice.

So if it's 'only' racism that causes you to be so vitriolic towards the BNP ,in spite of the knowledge that the vast majority of BNP members are most definately NOT racist, when do you intend to start on the others?

The Police 'Service' is obviously a 'racist' organisation. The Tory Party are obviously 'racist' if they retain BJ after the comments he has made....etc

Why single out the BNP as targets for your hate?
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that the vast majority of BNP members are most definately NOT racist,
Pull the other one, it has bells on.
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Fair enough. If you wish to keep your political affiliations secret, that's your choice.
Clever, but no cigar.

I didn’t write that I want to keep any political affiliations secret, what I wrote was “Such, if any, political affiliation or sympathies or support ..” leaving the possibility that I had NO political affiliations solidly on the table. Nor did I write that I wanted to keep anything secret, simply that it was no one else’s business, a very different thing.

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So if it's 'only' racism that causes you to be so vitriolic towards the BNP ,in spite of the knowledge that the vast majority of BNP members are most definately NOT racist, when do you intend to start on the others?
I do NOT know that the vast majority of BNP members are not racist any more than I know that the vast majority of the BNP supporters, a very different thing than members, are not racist though I suspect that in the latter such is probably the case.

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The Police 'Service' is obviously a 'racist' organisation. The Tory Party are obviously 'racist' if they retain BJ after the comments he has made....etc
How do you interpret the police service as being a racist organisation?

No doubt there are serving officers who are many things, but the police service goes to great lengths to be absolutely non racist, lengths that in my opinion actually go a bit too far.

If by BJ you mean Boris Johnson, how can it be that an ordinary member of the party makes comments that could be twisted into racist by some left wing idealist (but actually were not), can then be extrapolated as meaning the whole of the conservative party itself was a racist organisation?

The idea is ludicrous.

Now if the leader of the Conservative party had a history that included (and still includes) holocaust denial, the promotion of uber und unter menshen, the inferiority of Black people over White, and suchlike, and was supported by his First Line and more, they you would have grounds to make the assertion but such is not the case.

On the other hand there are political and quasi political organisations that are in precisely that position.

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Why single out the BNP as targets for your hate?
I don’t. The BNP is one of several of what in my opinion and the opinion of the majority of decent British people are detestable organisations.
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Now there’s a archetypical response that one might expect from a person who sees only a physical aspect to attack and who tries to use the “halo” approach as a form of defense.

So as to be perfectly clear about this, no I am not advocating attacking BNP supporters, and as for the address of some poor old boy who was obviously a hero in his day, no I don’t want his address. Nor should you be offering it. He should, if he even exists and is other than a hypothetical token to emphasise and so seek to gain sympathy for your viewpoint, not only be left to his own devices but should not be exploited by being brought into this.

What I am advocating is attacking the foul ideology that is at the heart of the BNP.

There. That’s not too hard to understand is it? You see the word “attack” has many meanings, many of which you are probably totally unaware.

Maybe it may also come as a surprise that not everybody thinks along the same track as you do?

As for the “UAF”, believe it or not I actually had to undertake a web search to find out what it even is let alone that I might be a member of it (which I most certainly am not)

In fact a person doesn’t need to be a member of anything beyond decent humanity to deplore what is at the black heart of the BNP.
Thank you for your latest patronising response. I merely asked for clarification as to what you meant by your use of the word "attack", which as you have stated has many meanings. Given that some of the BNP's opposition are quite prepared to do this, it was a reasonable question to ask of you in my opinion.

I can assure you that the war veteran I referred to most certainly does exist, and of course I would never divulge his address, it was a rhetorical question.
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