blueblood1920

Radio Broadcast in London:
http://www.bnp.org.uk/Broadcast%20final-01.mp3

Independent UKIP

Your pal David H has taken great offence to some perfectly acceptable posts that Matt may or may not have not posted on this forum in the past. Can I take it from your post above that you do not associate yourself with such remarks that David H has made?

Thanks.

The Bear

DAMM that spellcheck!

You assume that I would have wanted to join such a "club". You also assume that I would have wanted to asociate with people who did.


The Empire was a thing of its time. It would be wrong to praise or condemn it using the values of today as a baseline.

That egalitarianism saw it off simply shows how much better our social values are today than they were when the colonisations were taking place and the Empires were being established.

Anything based on the ludicrous notion that people are in some way fundamentally unequal as people, and should be treated as such is obscene.

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prober

Sneering at BNP instead of dispationatly looking at it's stance & what it is offering does not anwer the obvious....ie if you are a disadvantaged working class indigenous with pay cut by cheap labour immmigration and perceiving that the rapid rise of politically correct racism means they are bottom of the list for everything ... out of self interest what is the logical party to vote for if every other party doesnt want to know ?

The rise of BNP ahead of UKIP represents a dismal failure by UKIP to grasp the injustice of what is going on , vigorously attack it and offer people a way forward in a non racial context in which politically correct racism ceases to become political consensus chic , and is boldly publically challenged and exposed for what it is ... racism.... whether its coy Tory A lists or hard core " anyone but white" New Labour quotas.

The time to get worried is when white ethnic minorities ( at present head down earning £ ) start to realise they are second bottom of the list and start to demand equality with non white minorities. If no other party takes up their reasonable issues , what if BNP get clever and steps in ? .. result New Labour induced total polarisation on colour grounds.

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The Bear

A vote for the BNP is a wasted vote as it is a vote that would probably have gone to the party most likely to unseat a New Labour candidate.

Worse yet it may split the vote that would have otherwise have seen the New Labour candidate not get elected.

The rise of the BNP is far more down to naive and unsophisticated people looking for simple solutions to complex problems, and not realising what added baggage comes with the solution that they think they can see.

In my opinion the time to get worried is now, as when following the inevitable very severe downturn in the British economy, if not an actual crash of the British economy, the white majority of the population believe that the non white population are to blame for the ills and are in some way surviving better than the majority whites are.

It is then that the very real danger exists that a latter day Hitler figure will emerge and an ultra nationalist party will for support from the people who have become acclimatised to the “nanny state” extension of the Welfare State, and they will get that support, and then all hell will break out in Britain as the ultra nationalist party run their real agenda.

The number of parallels between where we are heading as things presently stand and the Weimer Republic are frightening.

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mkpdavies

I think you have fallen for the BNP's own pumped up self importance.

Reality

BNP have 0 MPs. UKIP now have one.
BNP have 0 Lords. UKIP have two.
BNP have 0 MEPs. UKIP have nine.

The only area the Nazis do have the upper hand, is at the powerless local level and even there, UKIP are now beginning to fight.

In its short existance, with many enemies and problems of its own making, UKIP have snuck around the back and given the BNP a total drubbing.

That's coming from someone who still thinks UKIP could and should have done better by now.

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Hartlepool

The number of National and European representives within UKIP are in an era of obvious expansion.

The bnp are much more inferior to UKIP and others,most bnp supporters are aware of this,but refuse to accept it,the bnp need to get real and get rid of their Leader and his buddy,only then can they expect a little more respect from people.

StGeorge

Matt, I think thats where the problem with UKIP lies in that it should be in a better position but it isn't. Local politics may seem irrelevant but it is at community level where smaller parties can gradually build up from, it is here you meet the voters and get them involved in changing through the ballot box the people currently in charge.

The issue is that the BNP are a much smaller party and are punching above their weight, there's no reason why UKIP as a larger and more financially secure party can't exceed the BNP and that IMO is seen as a failure within UKIP and leads to the comments.

I notice between the ukip, green and left list mayoral candidates on the new bbc news channel, the latter two didn't mention the BNP in a joint interview they did live. Gerrard however before the interview ended made a desperate appeal to viewers not to vote BNP and that they were a party of neo-nazis.

Time will tell in regards to whether in future years, changes within the BNP will move it forward. If indeed despite it punching its weight, it is still being held back or its success starts to decline.

Mikeuk

And which party would that be?

I hope you are not suggesting a vote for David Skidmark's ragbag of pro-EU traitors.

Well you're doing a pretty good job at bigging up the BNP. Keep it up and they may put you on the payroll.

Given that you're apparently around 60 years old and that vast numbers of people in that age bracket (probably the majority) would be classed by you as 'racist', this guff sounds suspiciously like the OTT anti-weed ravings of a life-long chain smoker who has just given up.

I wouldn't mind betting that you were an unreconstructed redneck before they put you on that TQM course.

Vortex

Without knowing which posts you are referring to, I could not possibly comment.