BonnieDundee

It wouldn't let me edit that one unfortunately.

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Leopold Kohr.

Britannist

She did more for the average man and woman than Labour did.

Labour is largely run by an 'elite' who have never had any knowledge of the working class they ludicrously claim to represent.

BonnieDundee

No she did absolutely nothing, she simply served big business and the well-off. She hurt the average person by lowering his bargaining power and increasing his costs and decreasing his safety net. I don't much like Welfarism but it beats neo-liberalism.
Indeed but the CONservatives are even worse. Just look how many important MPs in the CONservative party went to places like Eton.

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"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

Britannist

My view is different to yours - I see Labour as europhiles. Their dogma is europhilia. The same applies to the Liberal 'Democrats' of course - more so, in fact.

BonnieDundee

They certainly are. But the EU is not the be-all and end-all of my political interests. The fact someone might like the EU does not decide everything for me. The BNP for instance are rubbish in my opinion and I'm not that keen on UKIP or of course the Tories despite their anti-EU stances.

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"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

Britannist

Lady Thatcher let people buy their council houses - thus allowing millions of working class people to own a property (something Labour (Lie-bour) were desperate to stop happening).

She privatised coach travel so that millions could travel around the UK at a price they could afford and her policies led to a fall in the price of air tickets meaning millions could travel overseas. More working class people have cars than at any time under Labour (Lie-bour) Governments in power before Lady Thatcher got in.

The Labour (Lie-bour) ruling 'elite' hate the fact that working class people own their own homes and cars and travel abroad.

Britannist

Are you against public schools?

Many leading figures in the Labour Government went to public schools and there are many Labour Ministers and Labour MPs (including leftist Labour MPs) who have their offspring educated in public schools.

Perhaps, since you in Australia, you are unaware of this.

BonnieDundee

But she actually greatly hindered the development and maintenance of council houses, particularly new ones. Her agenda was not to help people but to try and decrease the scope of this safety net as much as she could. Labour to its credit attacked this kind of thing because they knew it was all about removing such supports for working people in the future.

That trend is current in the whole western world. And any "privatisation" done by Thatcher almost always meant selling off national assets to big business, often her mates, at discount prices.

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"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

BonnieDundee

I don't much like the large private schools but I'm not against them per se. I was just pointing out that to claim New labour, whatever its faults, is more dominated by rich elites than the Tories is nonsense. The Tories far more represent the rich, public school world.

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"It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state."
-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

Britannist

There are anti-EU people in the Labour Party, of course.

Some MPs are members of Labour Against The EU Superstate, a group led by Glasgow MP Ian Davidson.

Mrs. Gwyneth Dunwoody, the Labour MP who sadly died several days ago, was a member of the group.

By the way - you refer (above quote) to the "anti-EU stances" of the Conservatives. I just thought I would mention that UKIP maintains that the Conservatives are not anti-EU and that their official policy is to support EU membership. While a large number of Conservative members want out of the EU (and who can blame them) the Conservative leadership do not.