Bigotry against Scots.

BonnieDundee · 20-04-2008, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

I do not agree. With a current 16% opinion poll rating the Conservatives would win majority control of most of the EU-backed 'regional' assemblies Labour (Lie-bour) wanted to set up in England. And before you ask for "proof" (as you seem to do quite often) about the 16% poll lead - the figure comes from this week's Sunday Times.

Conservatives are against bureaucracy. That is why most Conservative rank-and-file members oppose Labour's unwanted 'regional' assembly plan and it is why Conservative understandably do not want the EU eurocrats and EU Superstate meddling in the internal affairs of our nation.

The key word being current, they believe that many of these regions might be alot harder to get elected in as a general trend. That doesn't mean they couldn't occassionally. Also you can't always trust such polls. The conservatives talk high and mighty but they no better, probably worse than labour and really are simply worried about their political opportunities.

The EU/New labour regions are clearly ********, but the conservatives should certainly be behind more democratic decentralisation. The reason they are not really is because they enjoy the absolute legislative power of Westminister as much as labour and wouldn't want regions where they don't usually don't get into power and where their power may be lessened due to the power of the new regions(I'm not talking about the Labour regions here but proper ones.).

Britannist · 20-04-2008, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Also you can't always trust such polls.

But presumably you take the view that we can trust the opinion polls you have been frequently quoting here in recent days

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BonnieDundee · 20-04-2008, 06:27 AM

Well you can trust me of course.

Although I only remember quoting one on Cornwall which gave support for devolution at 55+%.

Britannist · 20-04-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Although I only remember quoting one on Cornwall which gave support for devolution at 55+%.

Weren't you quoting an opinion poll the other day which you said reported that two thirds of the people of Scotland would back Scotland quitting the UK under certain circumstances?

As you may have pointed out elsewhere: opinion poll results do change. For instance - in last week's Sunday Times a poll put the Conservatives 16% ahead of Labour regarding voting intentions for the next General Election.

I heard on the radio a couple of hours ago that a new opinion poll out today now puts the Conservative lead over Labour at 10%.

BonnieDundee · 20-04-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

You were quoting an opinion poll which you said reported that two thirds of the people of Scotland would back Scotland quitting the UK under certain circumstances.

Ah yes, but that was the exact same one you were quoting.

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As you may have pointed out elsewhere opinion poll results do change. For instance - in last week's Sunday Times a poll put the Conservatives 16% ahead of Labour regarding voting intentions for the next General Election.

I have heard on the radio a couple of hours ago that a new opinion poll puts the Conservative lead over Labour at 10%.

Tweedledum is leading Tweedledee then.

British-Conservatism · 20-04-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Ah yes, but that was the exact same one you were quoting.

Tweedledum is leading Tweedledee then.

Scotland should have a referendum on independence to sort things out once and for all.

BonnieDundee · 20-04-2008, 09:00 AM

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Scotland should have a referendum on independence to sort things out once and for all.

I don't think it needs it. The Union is probably a good thing and the current system is popular enough for the time being.

Britannist · 20-04-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Scotland should have a referendum on independence to sort things out once and for all.

Of course, Scotland has a right to leave the UK if she wishes to.

If the people of Scotland chose to remain in the UK should a referendum on the matter be held - it would not be long before Salmond (Scottish First Minister and leader of the pro-EU Scottish 'National' Party - SNP) would be calling for another one to be held.

Labour thought that devolution to Scotland would reduce support for the SNP. It hasn't.

But one thing Labour's devolution has done is cause support in England for England quitting the UK to rise. Labour's policy of not giving England a Parliament to match the powers of the one in Scotland is reducing support for the Union of the UK in England.

Little Englander (sour) · 20-04-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I don't think it needs it. The Union is probably a good thing and the current system is popular enough for the time being.

People who deny referenda are usually afraid they will not get the "right" answer.

This on a day when Alex hopes to hold the whip hand in the next "hung" Parliament.

Bonnie Dundee, it's over, the Union (ha ha) is bust, kaput, shuffled from this mortal coil.

BonnieDundee · 20-04-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour)

People who deny referenda are usually afraid they will not get the "right" answer.

This on a day when Alex hopes to hold the whip hand in the next "hung" Parliament.

Bonnie Dundee, it's over, the Union (ha ha) is bust, kaput, shuffled from this mortal coil.

I think a referenda today with the expected alternatives would go in my favour, so I'm not afraid of it. I just don't see the needs. Things are alright with the union.

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