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Old 17-04-2008, 01:06 AM   #21 (permalink)
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We are now seeing this problem compounded by Scottish Brown referring to a 'loss of British identity'.....
I am a UK Unionist seeking equality for England within the UK - but I have to say that Brown is just using his calls for Britishness as a cloak to hide his anti-English agenda which includes denying us our our Parliament although he bent over backwards to get one set up in his own country of Scotland.
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Maybe he thinks labour is less likely to win in an English parliament without their solid Scottish support? Maybe not enough people actually care about this parliament to get him moving.

It reminds me of the regional assemblies, decentralism is conservative doctrine and yet they opposed them because they knew they had less hope of winning in many of them.
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I always thought that the subsidies to Scotland were one of the worst things possible. You really want less state intervention to boost the economy, not more.

The sooner the subsidies are removed (especially on the West coast) the better for everyone.
I don't think they hurt the economy, they simply annoy some English and represent Scottish dependence.
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It reminds me of the regional assemblies, de-centralism is Conservative doctrine and yet they opposed them because they knew they had less hope of winning in many of them.
The Conservatives opposed 'regional' assemblies because of the cost and because they are unnecessary.

UKIP opposed them for those reasons plus the fact that 'regional assemblies' were to be a part of the EU plan to break up the nations of the EU.
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Maybe he thinks Labour is less likely to win in an English Parliament without their solid Scottish support?
The Labour Party in England fear that they would not be able to win a majority in an English Parliament (the Conservatives got more votes than Labour at the last General Election in England).

However, the popular eurosceptic Labour MP Mr. Frank Field backs an English Parliament - he puts England first (unlike the majority of members of his party) and probably thinks that Labour could win a majority in England-only.
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Let's hope they or someone but the tories can win.
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The Conservatives opposed 'regional' assemblies because of the cost and because they are unnecessary.
The conservatives said this. The real reason was they knew they wouldn't be able to get elected in many. But they couldn't actually say this.

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I don't know how the assemblies actually panned out but if they are done well they are a good step to better gov't. The role of the EU is a different matter.
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I am a UK Unionist seeking equality for England within the UK - but I have to say that Brown is just using his calls for Britishness as a cloak to hide his anti-English agenda which includes denying us our our Parliament although he bent over backwards to get one set up in his own country of Scotland.
Yes, I accept your position and acknowledge your wisdom in perceiving Brown's tactic for what it truly is.

Perhaps I should remind you that, unlike some English nationalists, I am more flexible about the UK and inclined to allow any changes to be by freely and properly expressed democratic will, NOT Parliamentary fixes. In short, I do not insist that the UK should be dissolved etc or that such courses are the only true English nationalism!

If a mutually acceptable constitutional settlement can be reached whereby the UK remains in existence, that does not offend any of my principles. Indeed, history over the longer term suggests that the UK is much better than the sum of its parts. Current constitutional difficulties, if wisely handled, could pave the way to a new golden era for Great Britain!

My opposition to the EEC/EU has always been founded on a strengthened Commonwealth of equal partners, and (for example) I was aware decades ago that India, in proper partnership, could not only have provided a huge market but, amongst other things, also be a counter weight to China. Instead, we (the whole of the UK) have been subjected to short-termism in which British citizens have taken third place to short-sighted commercial interests . . . and still do.


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Any sort of free trade with the third world commonwealth nations would not be a good thing for us.
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