Britannist

Will they?

They and/or their predecessor parties were saying "independence is just around the corner" 50 years ago.

Both the Scottish so-called 'National' Party (SNP) and the Welsh so-called 'National' Party (PC - Plaid Cymru) need to be exposed for the europhiles they are: parties who would turn Scotland and Wales into toothless eurozone statelets and then dissolve both into the EU Superstate.

I am sure if voters become aware of the fact that the SNP and PC are just the political arms of the EU in Scotland and Wales support for those parties will fall substantially.

HighlandFP

QUOTE:" There are some posters here who seem to have a deep-seated bigotry against Scots"

and some who have a deep-seated bigotry against "Muzzers"
I happen to be a Scottish "Muzzer".

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BonnieDundee

I do think this europhilism is bad but I don't think it is much worse than the othe parties such as labour or libdems. I think it flows from a misguided feeling that the EU is needed for these countries to have more autonomy or independence. I think this idea needs to be attacked. I personally have never really understood the idea that a nation like Wales or Scotland couldn't support itself, that would mean even their economies are completely rubbish and can't be fixed or that there is a definite economy of scales for most gov't services. I don't think either is true.

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Smidgey

I always thought that the subsidies to Scotland were one of the worst things possible. You really want less state intervention to boost the economy, not more.

The sooner the subsidies are removed (especially on the West coast) the better for everyone.

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StGeorge

OK - it may not happen but if it does, I fear Scotland and Wales will lose its identity as the impacts of large-scale immigration, amnesty to asylum seekers bogus or otherwise. The EU is only part of it and a part that a lot of the electorate struggle to comprehend.

Vortex

Yesterday, the names of the two RAF men killed in the service of their country was announced. That country is Great Britain and the younger of these two men was a brave young Scot. I for one desire the union of the British peoples in a common cause against the EU and the foreign control of this great nation.

Like The Roman

Are you Scottish? Or were you simply born in Scotland?

I think the Swiss have the right idea:

You may well be a British passport, but that makes you British, not Scottish. Of course you may well be a true Scot who has converted to Islam or be half-Scottish, but simply being born in Scotland does not make you a Scot.

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cassie

An interesting post, if I may so. The nature of Great Britain is such that legalities are not sufficient in a political context. As an English nationalist, as far as I'm concerned attitude is paramount given that the only legal status most of us have is that of British citizen.

What this means for me is that the late Eric Forth, born and raised in Glasgow was by his attitude (words and deeds) English. Whereas, David Cameron, born in London educated in England, is by his attitude (words and deeds again) Scottish.

I have noticed that many (most?) people of immigrant stock born and raised in Scotland seem to regard themselves unhesitatingly as being Scottish; a case in point is Hardeep Singh Kohli, described as a writer, director and comedian.

On the other hand, immigrants born and raised in England seem to prefer to be regarded as British Muslims or British Sikhs or Afro-British etc. I attribute this difference to the significant dilution of English identity which has been brought about during the last fifty or so years.

We are now seeing this problem compounded by Scottish Brown referring to a 'loss of British identity' which gives a clue to some of the reasons why Englishness has been diminished in a way and to an extent that Scottishness (and Welshness) has not been.

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kernow

Bloody hell! I didn't think anyone was that unlucky!