Libertarian Party

arden forester · 10-04-2008, 03:50 PM

I've just seen that Stoke-on-Trent Council has a LibDem (Libertarian) councillor (not part of the LibDem Group). Could be one for Matt Davies to get on board!

Stoke-on-line: Find councillor

British-Conservatism · 10-04-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by arden forester

I've just seen that Stoke-on-Trent Council has a LibDem (Libertarian) councillor (not part of the LibDem Group). Could be one for Matt Davies to get on board!

Stoke-on-line: Find councillor

Libertarianism is certanly a powerful ideological movement as much as I dislike it.

The Bear · 11-04-2008, 06:58 AM

Unsurprisingly I strongly support the principles of Libertarianism though I do believe that human nature being as it is Libertarianism would be impossible to achieve as a stable form of government.

In spite of that a good government should adopt as many principles of Libertarianism as is practical.

Smidgey · 11-04-2008, 09:35 AM

Interesting.

The more I see the word libertarian within the political system the more gleeful I become.

We need to get a foot in the door.

BonnieDundee · 11-04-2008, 09:42 AM

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The more I see the word libertarian within the political system the more gleeful I become.

You need to read your history. It is an over a hundred years old.

British-Conservatism · 11-04-2008, 10:25 AM

Libertarianism is the Marxism of the Right and it is a system that contains within it the seeds of it's own destruction.

BonnieDundee · 11-04-2008, 12:16 PM

Libetarianism simply means maxmising individual liberty and contains many ideologies left and right. You are using the American term and consigning only one ideology as libertarian.

Smidgey · 11-04-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

You need to read your history. It is an over a hundred years old.

And Marxism is even older. What's your point?

I'm sure a Marxist would also be gleeful is Marxism became more prominent.

BonnieDundee · 11-04-2008, 12:24 PM

What I meant is that the term libertarian in history and outside the US(and internet message boards.) does not have the same meaning you give it. If it didn't meaning simply wanting maximum liberty it mean leftwing ideologies, particularly anarchism. I resent the idea that because I call myself libertarian I must parrot Milton Friedman or even Murray Rothbard(not that I dislike these people, simply that my thought is more diverse.).

Smidgey · 11-04-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

What I meant is that the term libertarian in history and outside the US(and internet message boards.) does not have the same meaning you give it.

I've always heard it mean what you describe as this so-called American version in the UK outside of message boards.

Again, I know exactly what you mean, but it is completely irrelevant and has absolutely no bearing on the purpose of this thread.

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If it didn't meaning simply wanting maximum liberty it mean leftwing ideologies, particularly anarchism.

And it also means the right wing ideology that what most consider to be libertarians espouse.

Again, what is the point of this?

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I resent the idea that because I call myself libertarian I must parrot Milton Friedman or even Murray Rothbard(not that I dislike these people, simply that my thought is more diverse.).

Then that's up to you to define what your beliefs are. If you resent it, then tough, if you don't want to be associated with them (I don't even really know what you want, you seem to be arguing over the most absurd and minor definitions for absolutely no apparent reason) then don't call yourself a libertarian.

Old style liberals had to do it with the word liberal, I'm sure the tiny minority of left-wing anarchists will do the same. Or maybe they will just use the word 'anarchist'.

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Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,129 Party: Libertarian Party	Interesting. The more I see the word libertarian within the political system the more gleeful I become. We need to get a foot in the door. __________________ How vain is man, who boasts in fight the valour of gigantic might! -Georg Friedrich Händel

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BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,354	Libetarianism simply means maxmising individual liberty and contains many ideologies left and right. You are using the American term and consigning only one ideology as libertarian. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

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BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,354	What I meant is that the term libertarian in history and outside the US(and internet message boards.) does not have the same meaning you give it. If it didn't meaning simply wanting maximum liberty it mean leftwing ideologies, particularly anarchism. I resent the idea that because I call myself libertarian I must parrot Milton Friedman or even Murray Rothbard(not that I dislike these people, simply that my thought is more diverse.). __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

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The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,071	Unsurprisingly I strongly support the principles of Libertarianism though I do believe that human nature being as it is Libertarianism would be impossible to achieve as a stable form of government. In spite of that a good government should adopt as many principles of Libertarianism as is practical.

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