Libertarian Party - pickings for the future?

Ea of Dune · 11-04-2008, 01:51 PM

I think the Libetarians have a lot of good to offer although I wouldn't personally follow all of the ideas set out by people like Dr Gabb.
It would be good to see some of those leaning towards a Libetarian stance joining the English movement and adding a different point of view.

Ea of dune

BonnieDundee · 11-04-2008, 02:09 PM

Quote:

I've always heard it mean what you describe as this so-called American version in the UK outside of message boards.

But that was only in universities, I'm sure. I mentioned it to my father once and he thought it was meant leftwing.

Quote:

Again, I know exactly what you mean, but it is completely irrelevant and has absolutely no bearing on the purpose of this thread.

It sort of does. I'm simply objecting to the usage of the word libertarian here.

Quote:

And it also means the right wing ideology that what most consider to be libertarians espouse.

Again, what is the point of this?

Simply that it measn many things.

Quote:

Then that's up to you to define what your beliefs are. If you resent it, then tough, if you don't want to be associated with them (I don't even really know what you want, you seem to be arguing over the most absurd and minor definitions for absolutely no apparent reason) then don't call yourself a libertarian.

Other usages are older and at least as popular.

Quote:

Old style liberals had to do it with the word liberal, I'm sure the tiny minority of left-wing anarchists will do the same. Or maybe they will just use the word 'anarchist'.

It is hard to say but globally they and other libertarian socialists are probably as numerous as American style libertarians. It can be applied to any leftwing communists like council communists.

Alex McKee · 13-04-2008, 07:15 AM

There is no such thing as a Libertarian socialist. Socialism is in absolute contradiction with Libertarian points of view.

allanon · 13-04-2008, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

Libertarianism is the Marxism of the Right and it is a system that contains within it the seeds of it's own destruction.

What are those seeds ?

allanon · 13-04-2008, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

What I meant is that the term libertarian in history and outside the US(and internet message boards.) does not have the same meaning you give it. If it didn't meaning simply wanting maximum liberty it mean leftwing ideologies, particularly anarchism. I resent the idea that because I call myself libertarian I must parrot Milton Friedman or even Murray Rothbard(not that I dislike these people, simply that my thought is more diverse.).

True libertarianism is the ultimate in anarchism.

Don't confuse anarchism with an unruly mob.

British-Conservatism · 13-04-2008, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanon

What are those seeds ?

For example Libertarianism believes in open boarders which would mean mass immigration.
These immigrants inturn would vote for Left Wing parties destroying what a Libertarian party has created.
They are many more such seeds of destruction.

allanon · 13-04-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

For example Libertarianism believes in open boarders which would mean mass immigration.
These immigrants inturn would vote for Left Wing parties destroying what a Libertarian party has created.
They are many more such seeds of destruction.

But Libertarianism doesn't believe in Welfarism. I don't mind the race or religion of anyone. Only that they don't live at my expense.

British-Conservatism · 13-04-2008, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanon

But Libertarianism doesn't believe in Welfarism. I don't mind the race or religion of anyone. Only that they don't live at my expense.

I think you have missed my point.
What im saying is the immigrants that the Libertarians would let in arnt likely to vote Libertarian thus destroying your own Libertarian electoral base.

Hunter · 13-04-2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smidgey

And Marxism is even older. What's your point?

I'm sure a Marxist would also be gleeful is Marxism became more prominent.

They already are. The majority of the NuLabour front-bench are Marxists, and most of the garbage we're having to live with because of them is aimed at creating a Marxist State.

The Bear · 13-04-2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunter

They already are. The majority of the NuLabour front-bench are Marxists, and most of the garbage we're having to live with because of them is aimed at creating a Marxist State.

What do you mean by Marxism, what do you see as the basic dimensions of Marxist ideology, and how do you relate New Labour to Marxism?

Serious questions, as I see damm little about New Labour that is in common with Marxism beyond a desire to impose a suffocating control over the people.

13-04-2008, 07:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	There is no such thing as a Libertarian socialist. Socialism is in absolute contradiction with Libertarian points of view. __________________ Anything I post on this web forum is my personal opinion only. Users on Ignore list: None.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

11-04-2008, 01:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ea of Dune Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 1,049	I think the Libetarians have a lot of good to offer although I wouldn't personally follow all of the ideas set out by people like Dr Gabb. It would be good to see some of those leaning towards a Libetarian stance joining the English movement and adding a different point of view. Ea of dune