Conservative Election Posters (real conservatism)

British-Conservatism · 09-04-2008, 06:48 PM

Here are some classic Conservative election posters from back when the Conservative party believed in Conservatism.

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Roland · 10-04-2008, 05:59 PM

Good posters. It's strange how socialism keeps failing with disastrous consequences ranging from economic collapse to the death of six million jews and world war but then keeps reappearing re wighting history so it was some one else's fault calling it's self something else 'new labour' or 'progressivism' then convinces every one this time it will be different.

The Bear · 11-04-2008, 07:53 AM

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Good posters. It's strange how socialism keeps failing with disastrous consequences ranging from economic collapse to the death of six million jews and world war but then keeps reappearing re wighting history so it was some one else's fault calling it's self something else 'new labour' or 'progressivism' then convinces every one this time it will be different.

Oh come on, it wasn’t socialism that laid the tracks to Auschwitz, it was ultra right wing nationalist fascism driven by a bunch of evil men playing on a nations hurt.

As for equating New Labour with Socialism, that’s a thing that’s almost laughable were it not so ridiculous.

What New Labour, or more properly Blair-ism did, was to use Socialists as foot soldiers and also play the “social” card to conduct some half brained lunatic revolution to impose Blair’s stupid ideology on the country and destroy Britain as a nation in the process.

It’s interesting to watch how New Labour are imploding since Blair took the money and ran.

Rebirth · 11-04-2008, 08:50 AM

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Oh come on, it wasn’t socialism that laid the tracks to Auschwitz, it was ultra right wing nationalist fascism driven by a bunch of evil men playing on a nations hurt.

Nazism was just an extreme form of National Socialism. The Nazi's was into eugenics which was based on ideas of Social Darwinism.

The Bear · 11-04-2008, 09:06 AM

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Nazism was just an extreme form of National Socialism. The Nazi's was into eugenics which was based on ideas of Social Darwinism.

Nazism USED Nationalism and Socialism in order to attract people to its corner. They identified and exploited a market.

As for eugenics, that was all about trying to breed back to a mystical race called the Aryans. The whole thing is a load of horse apples.

Unfortunately just as there are people today who believe that some races of people are fundamentally inferior to others for reasons ranging from the being less evolved as opposed to differently evolved, a massively different thing, so the Nazis played the Ubermenschen vs. Untermenschen card based on ludicrous concept of separation of races from the totally make believe Aryan race.

To associate Nazism with both Nationalism and Socialism is correct.

Conversely to associate either Nationalism or Socialism with Nazism is incorrect.

In the first case Nazism made use of political ideologies, in the second case neither political ideology makes any use of Nazism.

British-Conservatism · 11-04-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

Nazism USED Nationalism and Socialism in order to attract people to its corner. They identified and exploited a market.

As for eugenics, that was all about trying to breed back to a mystical race called the Aryans. The whole thing is a load of horse apples.

Unfortunately just as there are people today who believe that some races of people are fundamentally inferior to others for reasons ranging from the being less evolved as opposed to differently evolved, a massively different thing, so the Nazis played the Ubermenschen vs. Untermenschen card based on ludicrous concept of separation of races from the totally make believe Aryan race.

To associate Nazism with both Nationalism and Socialism is correct.

Conversely to associate either Nationalism or Socialism with Nazism is incorrect.

In the first case Nazism made use of political ideologies, in the second case neither political ideology makes any use of Nazism.

Eugenics was given a bad name by the Nazis.
Up to that point Eugenics was in place in many countries.
England is the home of the Eugenics movement.
It wont be long before Eugenics is back however.
With the advent of Genetic Engineering it will become very popular indeed.

The Bear · 11-04-2008, 11:28 AM

It all depends on what people intend to do with the ability to predict the outcome of a foetus reaching full term.

If Eugenics is used to selectively breed a population then that is simply wrong morally and in practice as the result will be to go onto a path that leads towards human monoculture and all the dangers THAT presents.

On the other hand if such prediction is used to destroy a foetus that shows it will produce a person with a deformity or genetic weakness that really should be bred out of the human gene pool then that is another matter.

The problem is that at present we simply do not know anywhere near enough to do other than very carefully experiment to establish just what the growth mechanism is that takes a zygote to grow into a healthy hairy arsed skin head teenager.

What must never be done is to attempt to distort the knowledge gained in order to extrapolate the identification of a master race. The very idea is at once offensive and also stupid.

For one thing there is no possibility of some universal master race, the environment determines which factors are best fit factors for the environment.

British-Conservatism · 11-04-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

It all depends on what people intend to do with the ability to predict the outcome of a foetus reaching full term.

If Eugenics is used to selectively breed a population then that is simply wrong morally and in practice as the result will be to go onto a path that leads towards human monoculture and all the dangers THAT presents.

On the other hand if such prediction is used to destroy a foetus that shows it will produce a person with a deformity or genetic weakness that really should be bred out of the human gene pool then that is another matter.

The problem is that at present we simply do not know anywhere near enough to do other than very carefully experiment to establish just what the growth mechanism is that takes a zygote to grow into a healthy hairy arsed skin head teenager.

What must never be done is to attempt to distort the knowledge gained in order to extrapolate the identification of a master race. The very idea is at once offensive and also stupid.

For one thing there is no possibility of some universal master race, the environment determines which factors are best fit factors for the environment.

I see your back to the applied Marxism nonsense of enviroment v biology.

The Bear · 11-04-2008, 11:48 AM

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I see your back to the applied Marxism nonsense of enviroment v biology.

It's not Marxism and the two are inseperable.

British-Conservatism · 11-04-2008, 01:23 PM

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It's not Marxism and the two are inseperable.

It's pure Marxism.

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Roland Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 859	Good posters. It's strange how socialism keeps failing with disastrous consequences ranging from economic collapse to the death of six million jews and world war but then keeps reappearing re wighting history so it was some one else's fault calling it's self something else 'new labour' or 'progressivism' then convinces every one this time it will be different.

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The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,178	It all depends on what people intend to do with the ability to predict the outcome of a foetus reaching full term. If Eugenics is used to selectively breed a population then that is simply wrong morally and in practice as the result will be to go onto a path that leads towards human monoculture and all the dangers THAT presents. On the other hand if such prediction is used to destroy a foetus that shows it will produce a person with a deformity or genetic weakness that really should be bred out of the human gene pool then that is another matter. The problem is that at present we simply do not know anywhere near enough to do other than very carefully experiment to establish just what the growth mechanism is that takes a zygote to grow into a healthy hairy arsed skin head teenager. What must never be done is to attempt to distort the knowledge gained in order to extrapolate the identification of a master race. The very idea is at once offensive and also stupid. For one thing there is no possibility of some universal master race, the environment determines which factors are best fit factors for the environment.