will happen if the BNP beat UKIP in London?

prober · 04-04-2008, 02:40 PM

Maybe Tom Wise is a BNP Troll in Lib drag aiming to neutralise UKIP so as to leave the PC multiculturalism etc challenging arena to BNP for it to hoover up votes unhindered by UKIP.

Come to think of it maybe the UKIP leadership are BNP trolls deliberately doing nothing to present UKIP as the non racial alternative to BNP so as to let UKIP sink and leave the field to BNP in May.

Any more conspiracy theories anyone ?

Populist Lee · 04-04-2008, 02:54 PM

Oh. I was under the impression that UKIP existed as a lifeboat for the Tory Party.

Now the Tories look a cert. for the next Election, UKIP are redundant!

blueblood1920 · 04-04-2008, 03:39 PM

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With nominations closing at midday on Friday 4th April the British National Party will be fielding around 625 candidates for seats in District, Borough and Unitary Councils in England.

For the first time the BNP will automatically qualify for a Local Election Party Political Broadcast. The criteria is that a sixth of available seats must be contested within England. The figure set by the BBC was 458 seats, so the British National Party is actually well ahead of this level.

The number of seats being fought constitutes a remarkable total not least because many councils that have previously been contested are not holding elections this year. Congratulations are in order for all Agents, Organisers, Candidates and all those who assisted in obtaining nominations over the past few weeks.

Full slates (where every available seat on a council is being contested) are expected in, Southend-On-Sea, Basildon Thurrock (all in Essex), Broxbourne (Hertfordshire), Leeds, Birmingham and Sunderland.

The BNP will also be contesting approximately 30 council seats in Wales and two council by-elections in London, all on May 1st. This is the same day on which the BNP will be contesting the elections for the Mayor and Assembly of London.

Any news on UKIP's candidate numbers? I know they are only standing 1 candidate in Liverpool which is down on last year.

StGeorge · 04-04-2008, 05:18 PM

Interesting that a lot of the mill towns are seeing decreases of BNP candidates. Blackburn especially.

Hunter · 04-04-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge

Interesting that a lot of the mill towns are seeing decreases of BNP candidates. Blackburn especially.

I don't know about this, but in total there are 120 candidates in the NW region currently confirmed, so we'll have to wait and see what happens there.

Mikeuk · 04-04-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

The only way out of this is for UKIP - like The Bear says - to put vast stretches of blue water between itself and the fascists.

If the fascists are beating UKIP because their policies are more popular that's hardly likely to be a winner is it?

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I don't just mean there should be policy differences which are nuanced but clear enough to people who really look carefully into things. I mean there should be policy differences so great as to be completely, unmissably, obvious even to the dullest and most stupid Guardian opinion columnist. There should be differences so glaring that anyone attempting to deny them would simply be laughed at loudly and rudely by anyone who heard.

You think those red scum are likely to vote UKIP? Go back to sleep.

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This means above all a liberal approach towards immigration - even more liberal than the policy UKIP used to have before Knapman was leader. It means UKIP should be lobbying hard for better treatment for asylum seekers.

Are you complely mad? Apart from the fact that we don't need or want any more of these unwanted aliens virually nobody in UKIP is likely to support such a far-left policy. In the totally unlikely even that such a mad Marxist policy were adopted it would certainly distinguish UKIP from the BNP - and lose UKIP whatever support it still has.

I always said you were a Red, Tom. Now I know it's true.

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It means ferocious, principled, libertarian opposition to any talk of bringing back National Service.

Who is proposing that? Mind you, it might not be such a bad idea.

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It means an enlightened attitude towards the punishment of criminals, not just "lock em up and throw away the key".

Why waste money locking them up? Hang the murderers and rapists.

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It means you have to love the multicultural society,

Most of us loathe the multicultural society. Go and live in India if you like that sort of thing.

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however liberal you might be on other issues UKIP will never get a fair hearing in this country. So do you want to help save this country or not?

Im not liberal on any issues. As you are a member of some other rinky-dink party why should it concern you what UKIP does?

Hartlepool · 04-04-2008, 05:55 PM

One of the funniest things on the whole forum is reading the bnp troll posts that compliment each other over and over again,they're far too thick and ignorant to even notice that hundreds are getting a good laugh at the expense of the ignorant bnpers who frequent most sites just prior to any election.

The facts remain that the bnp talk plenty but do very little,they are without commitment and suffer from long term inferiority complexes,to a man,and woman.

Lets hope that the cops dont Nick Griffin.

The giffin is a bird,and it leads the bnp,could this be a sign,a sign to you and me?

Ah,but Tits are birds as well,and so are swifts,it certainly looks like the bnp tits are not as swift as the rest of us,if you swallow what I mean.

However,if the bnp were cows,they would probably talk a load of bullocks I expect.

(Excepting the few who have attended education establishments.)

bnp?
Animals no.
Lower than animals?
Probably so,(in most circumstances).

StGeorge · 04-04-2008, 06:33 PM

It makes me laugh all the talk about the "trolls".

Why wouldn't BNP members post on a website which is eurosceptic, anti-PC, pro-UKGBNI, isn't in full support of the whole open-doors and multi-culti malarky, is patriotic and supports British Democracy.

You talk as if they shouldn't be here or that it's a forum just for UKIPers.

We're not trolling, we're on here all year round to discuss politics on a forum which appeals to us politically. There is no other active political forum available like this one which explains why BNP members and supporters will post on here.

If you don't like it, ban us and make it very clear that anyone who has any inkling of support from the BNP is not welcome.

All this talk of trolling is getting silly and detracting from intelligent debates between like minded people. If I wanted to be called names by people who refuse to debate because they are unwilling to counter a particular point, I would ring up my local councillor and wind him up.

I know of many BNP members and councillors that actually do a lot, not that the local papers will mention that of course but when lanes get cleared of rubbish, bus shelters fixed or replaced, licenses for a variety of licensable field given to people who aren't criminals etc. in these areas, it shows the BNP are doing something. You should know if as your name suggests, you are from Hartlepool and are aware of your councillor's daily business that little things in a particular ward actually require a lot of effort and work, a lot of things are done for residents behind the scenes and that its the wrong job unless your in a bigger party for boosting your ego as it goes unnoticed.

I keep repeatedly saying that all this BNP bashing of people who support and vote for them only alienates them from the political mainstream further and that UKIP will require the vote of most BNP voters to make further inroads into mainstream politics but you neither listen nor learn and continue to dish out the buzz words.

Hartlepool · 04-04-2008, 06:52 PM

You just turned up again after being away for quite a while george,hardly a regular on here,besides,you surprise me,are you also saying that you are not a bnp troll posting here?

Hartlepool · 04-04-2008, 06:57 PM

You are not to be believed george,your bnp pals have not shown any friendship to any anti EU Party at all,they are as regular as clockwork,turning up on sites a few weeks before every election.

The bnp is bust,broke and trying to cling to anything in the water to stay afloat,you are all outcasts,not many of your countrymen trust or like you all.

Is the bnp site an open site yet,like this one is?

04-04-2008, 02:54 PM	#22 (permalink)
Populist Lee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,965 Party: Other	Oh. I was under the impression that UKIP existed as a lifeboat for the Tory Party. Now the Tories look a cert. for the next Election, UKIP are redundant! __________________ ENGLISH POPULISM Stands as the only obstacle in the path of the Plutocrats who seek to reduce all the Peoples of the World to Economic and Political Slavery under Globalism POPULISM MEANS WHAT YOU WANT IS WHAT YOU GET

04-04-2008, 05:55 PM	#27 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,643 Party: Other	One of the funniest things on the whole forum is reading the bnp troll posts that compliment each other over and over again,they're far too thick and ignorant to even notice that hundreds are getting a good laugh at the expense of the ignorant bnpers who frequent most sites just prior to any election. The facts remain that the bnp talk plenty but do very little,they are without commitment and suffer from long term inferiority complexes,to a man,and woman. Lets hope that the cops dont Nick Griffin. The giffin is a bird,and it leads the bnp,could this be a sign,a sign to you and me? Ah,but Tits are birds as well,and so are swifts,it certainly looks like the bnp tits are not as swift as the rest of us,if you swallow what I mean. However,if the bnp were cows,they would probably talk a load of bullocks I expect. (Excepting the few who have attended education establishments.) bnp? Animals no. Lower than animals? Probably so,(in most circumstances). Last edited by Hartlepool; 04-04-2008 at 06:03 PM.

04-04-2008, 06:33 PM	#28 (permalink)
StGeorge Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 416	It makes me laugh all the talk about the "trolls". Why wouldn't BNP members post on a website which is eurosceptic, anti-PC, pro-UKGBNI, isn't in full support of the whole open-doors and multi-culti malarky, is patriotic and supports British Democracy. You talk as if they shouldn't be here or that it's a forum just for UKIPers. We're not trolling, we're on here all year round to discuss politics on a forum which appeals to us politically. There is no other active political forum available like this one which explains why BNP members and supporters will post on here. If you don't like it, ban us and make it very clear that anyone who has any inkling of support from the BNP is not welcome. All this talk of trolling is getting silly and detracting from intelligent debates between like minded people. If I wanted to be called names by people who refuse to debate because they are unwilling to counter a particular point, I would ring up my local councillor and wind him up. I know of many BNP members and councillors that actually do a lot, not that the local papers will mention that of course but when lanes get cleared of rubbish, bus shelters fixed or replaced, licenses for a variety of licensable field given to people who aren't criminals etc. in these areas, it shows the BNP are doing something. You should know if as your name suggests, you are from Hartlepool and are aware of your councillor's daily business that little things in a particular ward actually require a lot of effort and work, a lot of things are done for residents behind the scenes and that its the wrong job unless your in a bigger party for boosting your ego as it goes unnoticed. I keep repeatedly saying that all this BNP bashing of people who support and vote for them only alienates them from the political mainstream further and that UKIP will require the vote of most BNP voters to make further inroads into mainstream politics but you neither listen nor learn and continue to dish out the buzz words. Last edited by StGeorge; 04-04-2008 at 06:36 PM.

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04-04-2008, 02:40 PM	#21 (permalink)
prober Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 836	Maybe Tom Wise is a BNP Troll in Lib drag aiming to neutralise UKIP so as to leave the PC multiculturalism etc challenging arena to BNP for it to hoover up votes unhindered by UKIP. Come to think of it maybe the UKIP leadership are BNP trolls deliberately doing nothing to present UKIP as the non racial alternative to BNP so as to let UKIP sink and leave the field to BNP in May. Any more conspiracy theories anyone ?

04-04-2008, 05:18 PM	#24 (permalink)
StGeorge Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 416	Interesting that a lot of the mill towns are seeing decreases of BNP candidates. Blackburn especially.

04-04-2008, 06:52 PM	#29 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,643 Party: Other	You just turned up again after being away for quite a while george,hardly a regular on here,besides,you surprise me,are you also saying that you are not a bnp troll posting here?

04-04-2008, 06:57 PM	#30 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,643 Party: Other	You are not to be believed george,your bnp pals have not shown any friendship to any anti EU Party at all,they are as regular as clockwork,turning up on sites a few weeks before every election. The bnp is bust,broke and trying to cling to anything in the water to stay afloat,you are all outcasts,not many of your countrymen trust or like you all. Is the bnp site an open site yet,like this one is?