will happen if the BNP beat UKIP in London?

Richard Allen · 03-04-2008, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

p.s. The BNP beat UKIP in the London elections in 2000 and nobody took a blind bit of notice, but that was probably because most of the media had a policy back then of not reporting UKIP at all. I remember that Damian Hockney's UKIP mayoral campaign in 2000 got pretty much zero coverage, and nobody thought for a moment that it mattered which minnow party got more votes than which other.

p.p.s. In the long term I think that if the BNP do win GLA seats it is likely to accelerate their recent electoral decline rather than reverse it, because it'll give a high profile to the deficiencies of whatever idiot gets elected.

Richard Barnbrook seems to be a strong performer who is anything but an idiot. The BNP appear to have been very careful in their candidate selection. Their London list contains many people who are far from the strereotypical BNP member.

On your earlier point, You may want UKIP to embrace the multi-cultuaral society but I suspect that most of our members do not. I for one would want nothing to do with the party if it did.

prober · 03-04-2008, 10:53 PM

Tom Wilde advocates UKIP become part of the "progressive consensus" to ensure all its policies are opposite to BNP & to avoud criticism by the Guardian ( & in the process become just like Lib Lab Con & cease to have any point in existing ).

Another strategy would do the opposite To TW's approach, ensure UKIP isunlike Lib Lab Con in all respects & simply show trhe electorate/media that voters dont need to vote BNP to get heard on immigration PC etc as UKIP cando it better in a non racial context.

arden forester · 04-04-2008, 12:00 AM

Just taking points out of the posts above. The BNP and UKIP don't come out of the same muddy pool. It just so happens that some of the UKIP leadership were in fringe parties of the right. Doesn't necessarily imply they still think that way.

I think Barnbrook will win a seat on the Assembly. If he's the only one, he may feel like he's being got at. He must be hoping for at least two seats!

UKIP won't win anything. The English Democrats may well do better. The Greens will come in well placed. UKIP is still seen in the minds of the electorate as being mixed up with "Europe". This forum has a whole catalogue of local by-election disasters. UKIP must either change its name, or just be a one-trick pony. It can't have it both ways!

indigo · 04-04-2008, 03:07 AM

The BNP is almost certainly going to get above 5%, and might even win a second seat.

UKIP is almost invisible, and will be lucky to get 2%.

There's no "if", when it comes to the BNP beating UKIP. The ratio will be something like four or five to one.

blueblood1920 · 04-04-2008, 10:56 AM

What if BNP stand more candidates than UKIP in England a bigger party than the BNP?
Talk is that over 500 nominations have already been accepted with more full slates than ever before.

StGeorge · 04-04-2008, 01:09 PM

It'd be disappointing as UKIP do stand in many areas where the BNP don't. I have a feeling I'll have no decent choice this May on the ballot paper.

Populist Lee · 04-04-2008, 02:28 PM

It makes you wonder why the the powers-that-be are pulling the plug on UKIP?

Having said that; some people should have seen it coming.
The far Left and EU-philes have been writing UKIP off for well over a year now.
I even mentioned this in one of my posts from around a year ago.

Populist Lee · 04-04-2008, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Allen

Richard Barnbrook seems to be a strong performer who is anything but an idiot. The BNP appear to have been very careful in their candidate selection. Their London list contains many people who are far from the strereotypical BNP member.

Barnbrook has a couple of faults - - don't we all?
I agree with you, being an idiot is not one of them.

Apart from the now defunct Eriksen, it will be folly to be banking on the one, two or three BNP GLA members to be dropping the BNP "in it" over the coming four years.

Populist Lee · 04-04-2008, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prober

Tom Wilde advocates UKIP become part of the "progressive consensus" to ensure all its policies are opposite to BNP & to avoud criticism by the Guardian ( & in the process become just like Lib Lab Con & cease to have any point in existing ).

Another strategy would do the opposite To TW's approach, ensure UKIP isunlike Lib Lab Con in all respects & simply show trhe electorate/media that voters dont need to vote BNP to get heard on immigration PC etc as UKIP cando it better in a non racial context.

If UKIP became a liberal-progressive, multicultural party, I would go out of my way to try to bring it down.

That's a Promise.

Dissident Congress · 04-04-2008, 03:39 PM

Confidence in UKIP has been damaged by its previous MLAs defecting to Veritas then forming One London. Voters planning on voting UKIP know who they are voting for, but there is an atmosphere of doubt over what they are voting for. It's a crowded field and UKIP could come bottom of the pile of the four "patriotic" parties because of lack of voter confidence more than anything else.

04-04-2008, 12:00 AM	#13 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,680 Party: None	Lessons in ballot boxing! Just taking points out of the posts above. The BNP and UKIP don't come out of the same muddy pool. It just so happens that some of the UKIP leadership were in fringe parties of the right. Doesn't necessarily imply they still think that way. I think Barnbrook will win a seat on the Assembly. If he's the only one, he may feel like he's being got at. He must be hoping for at least two seats! UKIP won't win anything. The English Democrats may well do better. The Greens will come in well placed. UKIP is still seen in the minds of the electorate as being mixed up with "Europe". This forum has a whole catalogue of local by-election disasters. UKIP must either change its name, or just be a one-trick pony. It can't have it both ways! __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

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Populist Lee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,243 Party: Other	It makes you wonder why the the powers-that-be are pulling the plug on UKIP? Having said that; some people should have seen it coming. The far Left and EU-philes have been writing UKIP off for well over a year now. I even mentioned this in one of my posts from around a year ago. __________________ ENGLISH POPULISM Stands as the only obstacle in the path of the Plutocrats who seek to reduce all the Peoples of the World to Economic and Political Slavery under Globalism POPULISM MEANS WHAT YOU WANT IS WHAT YOU GET

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03-04-2008, 10:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
prober Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 855	Tom Wilde advocates UKIP become part of the "progressive consensus" to ensure all its policies are opposite to BNP & to avoud criticism by the Guardian ( & in the process become just like Lib Lab Con & cease to have any point in existing ). Another strategy would do the opposite To TW's approach, ensure UKIP isunlike Lib Lab Con in all respects & simply show trhe electorate/media that voters dont need to vote BNP to get heard on immigration PC etc as UKIP cando it better in a non racial context.

04-04-2008, 03:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
indigo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 53	The BNP is almost certainly going to get above 5%, and might even win a second seat. UKIP is almost invisible, and will be lucky to get 2%. There's no "if", when it comes to the BNP beating UKIP. The ratio will be something like four or five to one.

04-04-2008, 10:56 AM	#15 (permalink)
blueblood1920 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,248 Party: BNP	What if BNP stand more candidates than UKIP in England a bigger party than the BNP? Talk is that over 500 nominations have already been accepted with more full slates than ever before.

04-04-2008, 01:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
StGeorge Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 417	It'd be disappointing as UKIP do stand in many areas where the BNP don't. I have a feeling I'll have no decent choice this May on the ballot paper.

04-04-2008, 03:39 PM	#20 (permalink)
Dissident Congress Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 750	Confidence in UKIP has been damaged by its previous MLAs defecting to Veritas then forming One London. Voters planning on voting UKIP know who they are voting for, but there is an atmosphere of doubt over what they are voting for. It's a crowded field and UKIP could come bottom of the pile of the four "patriotic" parties because of lack of voter confidence more than anything else.