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Old 24-03-2008, 08:59 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I thought you might be judging from your posts. Did you read Naomi Klein's book "The Shock Doctrine" out of interest?

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yeah, i meant mellowing down from being nationalist. my mistake. they certainly did mellow their marxist rhetoric.
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If I wasn't pushing for a pension I may have entered the fray myself! Mind you I too have baggage, I used to support The Tories, and keep this quiet went through a socialist phase in my teens!
lol. I'm a fair bit younger, but I've had my foolish 'tory' phase, and was even a laissez-faire free trade capitalist, I'm ashamed to say! (though in defence I was in my teens and early twenties, and accepted the false view of American evangelicals that equates it with Christianity). I can agree with alot of the criticisms socialism has for the capitalist system, though I think the distributism of nationalist politics rightly stays away from the errors of both socialism and extreme capitalism.
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That looks like a good one. I found this on it:
Naomi Klein | The Shock Doctrine

Thanks for the head's up.
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BC, Marxist theory has been proven wrong. Every communist society has fallen.
Marx looked favourably upon free trade capitalism, because it did indeed disrupt those organic bonds that had to be buried before Marxism could triumph. Thus Marx saw the subversive potential of libertarianism. The Marxist historical outlook is dialectical. It sees history in terms of a continuing dialectic of thesis, antithesis, synthesis. The basis of Marxist dialectics is class struggle. Hence the thesis was the old order of ‘feudalism”; the antithesis was capitalism, and from the clash of these opposites would arise the new synthesis of communism.

This is whats happening now.
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For_England> Yes it's a very interesting read, very heavy going though and pretty harrowing in some parts. You can probably get a copy on Amazon, or in Waterstones.

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The rather dated Class War arguments are being kept going to divide us by the Sun and Mirror and berk's like John Gaunt
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Anyone think there is something new in this should stand back and look at the world from a different angle. As Iraq was being attacked in '91 various Captains of Industry were forming meetings and alliances that would take advantage of the 'peace' when it came. Dick Cheney being one of the more famous.

Look further back in history. The Zulu wars in South Africa were a result of a number of British Lords wanting to get their hands on Africas wealth.

Angola - follow the money to see who was backing both sides in the conflict. Move on to the other African wars, including the latest in Darfur. Always there is some group or 'country' ready to move in and asset strip an area that has become victim to any man-made or natural disaster.
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Actually, Hunter, unless someone has been a member of the BNP they are just guessing about the kind of person who supports the BNP or votes for it, or they are relying on Searchplight for all their info. Searchplight being a little biased on this issue .
Yes Frith, this is why so many members of other Parties can't understand why the BNP has become so popular. Many of our political opponents are stuck with the vision of BNP members being skinheaded, thuggish, "knuckle draggers" (to quote John Gaunt) with swaztikas tattooed on their foreheads.

It usually comes as a surprise to long term LibDems or Tories or Labourites, that I'm a member of the BNP when I tell them. This is all to our advantage though, as they only make fools of themselves when mouthing off about the BNP fascists or Nazis or racists, and it is apparent that we look nothing like the image being described.

Sun Tsu (c500 BCE) wrote that in order to defeat an enemy, we must know that enemy like we know ourselves. This is where the other political Parties are failing. The BNP they know is from the seventies and eighties and they haven't bothered to renew that knowledge. Now, when it's too late for them, they're puzzled as to why we've become so popular, and what they can do counter it.

It may well be that the current upsurge in popularity is merely a form of protest vote. Only time will tell with that. The results of the GLA and the London Mayor elections, and the local government elections will give us a better understanding of the level of popularity we have.
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There is no development in the oppositions thinking and they have been left behind. The refreshing posts one finds even on here are not fromthe liberals who are stuck in a rut and saying the same old thing; slotting people into old-fashioned pigeon holes.
I was talking to a very attractive and intelligent young woman a couple of Saturday nights ago in a city-centre bar. She is in her final year at Uni and was out with her mates celebrating one's birthday. They were going clubbing after.
What struck me is that early in the conversation she asked me,"Are you a nationalist?" When I replied "Yes" she seemed interested. I asked her if her teachers and tutors had told her that nationalism is nazism and she told me "Yes."
When I said that I believe that our people should have preferential treatment over other ethnic groups at all times and in all things she agreed. You see young people are realising that the establishment and liberals and lefties have been working to dispossess them. They know that these others are taking the jobs they have worked hard for. They know, for example, that the law and medical schools are being taken over by students from other ethnic groups. Reality is stronger than propaganda.
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