Who votes BNP and why?

kernow · 23-03-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

The most startling revelation of the report, entitled 539 voters' views: a voting behaviour study in three northern towns, is that, in the areas studied, the younger one is the more likely one is to vote BNP. Around one in three of 18-25 year-olds said that they voted for the BNP. 46 per cent said they had voted for the BNP on a previous occasion.

I don't find it a startling revelation! Most young men have a touch of the warrior in them and they look on people from different ethnic backgrounds as the enemy! The same people if they were 20 years older would probably have entirely different thoughts on the subject!

stathan · 23-03-2008, 04:38 PM

And one wonders why no one can believe a word that emanates from the BNPs direction!

Pehaps it might have been a touch more honest to point out that this article is over 2 years old, an article that claimed that 25% of the population were prepared to vote for the BNP.

That quite clearly didn't happen countrywide did it?

If you are going to lift 2 year old articles off other forums please have the decency and honesty to give us the full facts.

The Bear · 23-03-2008, 04:38 PM

Forget BNP, vote Likud!

Andrew Constantine · 23-03-2008, 05:05 PM

There was a Times interview in 2007 with the BNP leader and NG made it clear that he personally thought he probably had too much political baggage ever to lead a breakthrough.

In the light of the above, the hard work of the BNP activists and any votes for their candidates will be totally wasted.

England needs a radical and powerful English nationalist party. One will hopefully emerge and will take on the fight against the EU and the corrupt political elites of the Union.

I am not saying that Free England will necessarily be the party that makes the breakthrough, but at least we have the quality candidates to make good and credible councillors and other elected officials.

Lathyrus · 23-03-2008, 05:20 PM

Sounds interesting if nothing else.

tito · 23-03-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Quite a damning statement tito. I don't suppose you'd care to clarify where you get the idea that the BNP vote consists of 'looters and moochers'?

I assume your political leanings are to the far-left (correct me if I'm wrong here

). I also assume you're a student and therefore active within far-left groups such as UAF.

I only ask this to get some idea of where you stand, politically.

I am completely offended! Far left!

I am a Laissez-faire Capitalist and an Objectivist. I call myself a Libertarian often, but out of practicality (libertarianism isn't a particularly good philosophy, but in practice it delivers everything I want)

Are you aware of the terms "moocher" and "looter"? They are from Atlas Shrugged.
The moochers are a group who can never take responsibility, who blame everyone and everything else for their situation and cannot exist without the hard work of men.
There seem to be two types of voters in the BNP, the prejudiced (who simply hate foreigners), but more predominantly the moochers. These are the ones who state that we cannot continue for practical reasons with immigration, that the British should have first priorities over jobs, etc.
They cannot accept that their trade is not very valuable, whatever it may be. They know that they cannot survive in the face of competition, and so they try to retard the process of immigration in order to stem competition. They complain that the immigrants are "stealing" their jobs and that they cannot afford to pay for their families. They are weak and spineless, unable to improve themselves or market themselves in order to become economically sufficient; yet still make the lifestyle choice of having a family and claim they have some sort of right to it.
The looters, in Atlas, are the governments that facilitate the whims of the moochers. They do this through taxation, anti-competition laws, nationalisation, and other such thuggish practices.

You see, I am the opposite of the far left and nobody has managed to show me what the far right is (I see no difference between Hitler and Stalin)

Andrew Constantine · 23-03-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tito

I am completely offended! Far left!

I am a Laissez-faire Capitalist and an Objectivist. I call myself a Libertarian often, but out of practicality (libertarianism isn't a particularly good philosophy, but in practice it delivers everything I want)

Are you aware of the terms "moocher" and "looter"? They are from Atlas Shrugged.
The moochers are a group who can never take responsibility, who blame everyone and everything else for their situation and cannot exist without the hard work of men.
There seem to be two types of voters in the BNP, the prejudiced (who simply hate foreigners), but more predominantly the moochers. These are the ones who state that we cannot continue for practical reasons with immigration, that the British should have first priorities over jobs, etc.
They cannot accept that their trade is not very valuable, whatever it may be. They know that they cannot survive in the face of competition, and so they try to retard the process of immigration in order to stem competition. They complain that the immigrants are "stealing" their jobs and that they cannot afford to pay for their families. They are weak and spineless, unable to improve themselves or market themselves in order to become economically sufficient; yet still make the lifestyle choice of having a family and claim they have some sort of right to it.
The looters, in Atlas, are the governments that facilitate the whims of the moochers. They do this through taxation, anti-competition laws, nationalisation, and other such thuggish practices.

You see, I am the opposite of the far left and nobody has managed to show me what the far right is (I see no difference between Hitler and Stalin)

I find the above comments so mean spirited.

It is not surprising that so many of our fellow countrymen have given up competing in the job market when employers have the choice of so many better eductaed, healthier and cheaper employees from Poland etc.

But it is not the fault of the young that the bog standard comprehensives are giving them little formal education, nor is it their fault that say, family breakdown, or abuse by a parent of drugs and booze, has wrecked their chance of a stable family life.

Employers like foreign labour beacuse it is cheaper and they can get away with paying less than for English employees.

Those who condemn their fellow countrymen (as has been done in the post above and as quoted) should see what its like trying to live in poverty and then finding themselves uncompetitive in the job market - through no fault of their own.

I do not think you are a "laissez faire capitalist" - just incredibly selfish and mean spirited.

tito · 23-03-2008, 11:03 PM

Yes, I am selfish to the core and damn proud of it.

I, as it happens, have been working 12 hours a day on minimum wage alongside Slovakians all holiday.

I agree on education; government interference has wrecked the prospects of many (hopefully, not my own too)

I don't condemn "my countrymen" I take each on an individual basis. However, I dislike anyone that complains about the value of their work. Labour is a product, and a product is worth whatever its purchaser will pay for it.

Nobody is uncompetitive through no fault of their own, except the disabled, who are a group of people I have a lot of time for. I believe in charity, and I give to it selfishly.

Hunter · 23-03-2008, 11:08 PM

I notice you omitted mention of your student status. Is this because you know it would negate any comment you made regarding the status of the average working person in Britain?

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I am a Laissez-faire Capitalist and an Objectivist. I call myself a Libertarian often, but out of practicality (libertarianism isn't a particularly good philosophy, but in practice it delivers everything I want)

A philosophy that delivers everything you want, yet you admit isn't particularly good doesn't say much for your understanding or experience of life. This is the sort of comment I would expect from a student, which reinforces the opinion I have of your status.

From this I suspect you've never worked a day in your short life. In which case the opinion you have of the general public, garnered it seems from someone else's experience of life (or in the case of Ayn Rand, her fantasy - all good or all bad - no in between or grey areas).

I also assume you see yourself as one of the 'children of light'....

tito · 23-03-2008, 11:21 PM

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I notice you omitted mention of your student status. Is this because you know it would negate any comment you made regarding the status of the average working person in Britain?

Mention it all you like; but for as long as I don't make cheap shots at you I'd appreciate the same courtesy in return. I'm not going to divulge too much of my personal life on a public forum either.

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A philosophy that delivers everything you want, yet you admit isn't particularly good doesn't say much for your understanding or experience of life. This is the sort of comment I would expect from a student, which reinforces the opinion I have of your status.

Well, maybe you should read up on libertarianism and objectivism. Frankly, libertarianism is an incomplete philosophy. It cuts straight to the politic, and leaves out the metaphysic, aesthetic and moral. Objectivism is a complete and logical philosophy, but it is not a political movement, it is an intellectual one. I can therefore say that Objectivism is my philosophy, but I support Libertarianism because its actual delivered product is to my taste.

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From this I suspect you've never worked a day in your short life. In which case the opinion you have of the general public, garnered it seems from someone else's experience of life (or in the case of Ayn Rand, her fantasy - all good or all bad - no in between or grey areas).

Wrong. I'm totally exhausted today, with it being my only half day off from my three jobs. Tommorow I will get to work at 8am and serve breakfast until about 10 or 11. At 12 I will start my other job, which is in a restaurant; my shift lasts until 8:30, but it will probably end up being 9 or 9:30. (This on minimum wage). When I get home then, I will start writing for the magazine that pays me. This on top of my studies; I am not a lazy person.

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I also assume you see yourself as one of the 'children of light'....

I've no idea what one is.

23-03-2008, 05:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 861 Party: Free England Party	Wasted votes for the BNP? There was a Times interview in 2007 with the BNP leader and NG made it clear that he personally thought he probably had too much political baggage ever to lead a breakthrough. In the light of the above, the hard work of the BNP activists and any votes for their candidates will be totally wasted. England needs a radical and powerful English nationalist party. One will hopefully emerge and will take on the fight against the EU and the corrupt political elites of the Union. I am not saying that Free England will necessarily be the party that makes the breakthrough, but at least we have the quality candidates to make good and credible councillors and other elected officials. __________________ Andrew Constantine Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com http://freeengland.blogspot.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

23-03-2008, 05:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
Lathyrus Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 13	Sounds interesting if nothing else. __________________ http://www.talkbritain.co.uk/forum/

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23-03-2008, 04:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
stathan Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 377	And one wonders why no one can believe a word that emanates from the BNPs direction! Pehaps it might have been a touch more honest to point out that this article is over 2 years old, an article that claimed that 25% of the population were prepared to vote for the BNP. That quite clearly didn't happen countrywide did it? If you are going to lift 2 year old articles off other forums please have the decency and honesty to give us the full facts.

23-03-2008, 04:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,169	Forget BNP, vote Likud!