Rebirth

Hopefully HighlandFP can help him

Rebirth out!

HighlandFP

Me too.

That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen; by Frederic Bastiat

looks interesting

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BonnieDundee

No it you who keeps saying this.



Again I didn't say that. I made a half-humourous remark simply about the highlanders. It is you who have



No, that is simply debasing the word fascist, which has a proper setting and meaning.

Well it is certainly the consensus of scholarly opinion, you just have to pick up a textbook.

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BonnieDundee

Well fascist has particularl meaning but the far left can be both totalitiarian and extremely libertarian as can the right. I'm not sure of the far right, that has a more specific meaing than far-left.

I'm simply not sure why you dredge up half of what you seem to.

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BonnieDundee

I'm a broad, if quite radical, libertarian and decentralist. I'm interested in all sorts of decentralist thought left, right, socialist and capitalist. From Mises and Rothbard to Kropotkin and Proudhon, from Burke and Kirk to Luxembourg and Marx.

Whether I'm more left or right is hard to say. I'm no nationalist but a decentralist and perhaps a regionalist. I'm more socially progressive than conservative but can certainly admire the conservative, I find the likes of Burke for instance more stimulating that what in America are called libertarians and even I'm afraid their predecessors like Bastiat.

Economically, the very fact I'm a decentralist in everything and against large economic corporations tends to make me out as more leftist because many rightwing libertarians are attached to such economic centralism strangely.I certainly don't mind markets, local and regional ones anyway but I also don't mind collectives, co-ops, syndicates and communes and I have alot of affinity with the idea of independent craftsman who don't work for a boss. In fact I'd say my ideal arrangements would be independent craftsmen and farmers as well as worker's co-ops and small firms employing wage labour, all mostly dealing with local and regional markets. In this sense my thought is mutualist and distributionist with a spattering of syndicalism or guild socialism.

So what that makes me, either left, right or centre, I really don't know. I certainly don't believe in central gov't ownership or even forced local collectivism, but I also don't have much time with laissez faire capitalism that allows large corporations and property owners to live as absentee owners and rentiers while many don't have access to much productive property and are force into centralised institutions like the modern corporation.



Well I agree, although I certainly don't believe it is single mums who really benefit, it is always the rich, corporations and politicians who benefit from our centralised societies. If welfare mums benefit then it because a faction of these ruling classes wants them too.

Also I did not really partake in any ranting, I'm not really a nationalist in that sense, far more a radical decentralist, libertarian and regionalist. Rebirth is simply very strange and keeps bringing up alot of useless stuff, particularly in the anti-Scottish department and I don't care much to be insulted, particularly when it is such ****. He told me earlier that Scotland once made a secret alliance with all Europe to slaugher(not even fight.) the English.

Bastiat is not my favourite libertarian either of the American style or not. I have always been a little put off by the kind of abstract, classical liberal thinking about isolated, rational individuals with abstract natural rights who come together simply to transact. In this sense I much prefer the conservative and radical approaches. But I still admire him as an honest, libertarian intellectual.

You know similar figures from the same time and place that I prefer are P.J Proudhon, who is one of my favourite thinkers and De Tocqueville. Some of the work of Lamennais is good as well. I believe Proudhon and Bastiat also had a debate.

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Proudhon's Collected Works
Alexis de Tocqueville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hughes Felicité Robert de Lamennais - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can I say you are so far the most sane person I have met here.

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How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

Rebirth

Reading through your posts, it sounds like you feel bitterness towards England. Perhaps it's to big for you?

You said the highlanders was feared the most by the Germans and used a C4 documentary to back it up.

Broad description suggests Stalin was a bit of a fascist.

Hitler was not far-right.

Rebirth

Then I will remind you

BonnieDundee

No it is you who keeps bringing this up. Correcting your random accusations against Scotland is not "bitterness" towards England.
So? I have heard it many times. The fact it is in a documentary doesn't make it a bad source. C4 does not actually make the documentaries, other companies do that.

No, silly use of labels does.

In conventional scholarship he is almost always sighted as such. Hence neo-Nazis are refered to as the far right.

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How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

Rebirth

What, like Neocon or Neo-Nazi?

So it's ok for you to call Hitler far-right when he wasn't, but if I say Stalin was a bit of a fascist I am accused of silly labels. Yeah, right!

BonnieDundee

No not like that.

No because Hitler was far right, but Stalin was not a fascist. If you don't like it print your own textbook on the subject.

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How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.