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Old 29-02-2008, 02:32 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I understand the BNP have a former senior police officer, Michael Barnbrook exposing corruption in the House of Commons etc.
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Old 29-02-2008, 02:33 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Yes a good point,so lets talk party priorities. Do we try a campaign and use £15-20 on an important legal opinion or do we waste £36,000 on a figurehead treasurer? I understand that Albert has had solicitors look at the evidence and they have agreed that high treason has taken place in government. The problem is that the person who puts their name to that opinion will then live in fear of reprisals.
Reprisals from whom?

Ted Heath's relatives? I suppose they could sue for defamation but that would be about it.

MI5/MI6? They haven't got the resources to cope with the terrorists that are apparently oozing from every sink estate and ghetto in urban Britain.

Barnby's and Shrimpton's pet favourite - the DVD? No comment, I'm far too polite.

The EU? It's possible that they might treat Burgess to the same treatment as meted out to Tillack. I would have thought that would be ample provocation for a full scale exposé on the machinations of the EU machine. Something to hope for, rather than avoid.

What is highly unlikely is the umbrella filled with ricin or the double-tapping of undesirables.

Whistleblowers are usually brave enough to expose corruption regardless of likely reprisals. If Burgess is as brave (read foolhardy?) as he claims, why would he fear reprisals?

I'm sorry, but IMHO, somebody has been economical with their version of events.
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Old 29-02-2008, 02:48 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I don't think there would be reprisals against counsel writing a legal opinion. Barristers write opinions on all cases that go to court and assess people's chances of success. Most cases never proceed to court on that basis. There are plenty of Barristers who have put difficult cases and pushed unpopular points of law; the rules demand it of them. The recent spate of sexual murderers are all guilty and all are evil, but they were represented in court and counsel put their version of events, offensive though it might have been (raping a dead body?).

Even if AB were to ask for financial support I would not give it. Based on my own knowledge and having read AB's arguments on this forum and the way he deals with my valid points about the evidentiary burden there clearly is no merit in the case.

It is possible that a couple of solicitors have expressed an opinion, but clearly not in writing otherwise it would have been quoted. It depends on the solicitors and what their specialisation is and whether they were doing it as a favour or were seeking business. There are a lot of solicitors who will say, on a brief glimpse of papers during the 30 minute free consultation, that there is a prima facie case that merits further research. They will, unsurprisingly, offer to do that research for up to £200 per hour and quote 10-15 hours work. They will ask for £1000 up front. They never see the client again. Sometimes they know that there is no real case and are being disingenuous, but will take the money to say, after further research, that their initial opinion was wrong and that actually the case is without merit. On other occasions they will assess the client and offer to do the work for a ludicrous amount of money knowing the client will go away. If this sounds familiar to anyone do let me know.

I can't comment on the individual solicitors, but if the case had merit it should have gone further with professionals doing the work. Albert is a French polisher, not a lawyer. If Albert reads some old medical books he's still not taking my appendix out.
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Yes a good point,so lets talk party priorities. Do we try a campaign and use £15-20 on an important legal opinion or do we waste £36,000 on a figurehead treasurer? I understand that Albert has had solicitors look at the evidence and they have agreed that high treason has taken place in government. The problem is that the person who puts their name to that opinion will then live in fear of reprisals.
Priorities, certainly.
Spend all the money on becoming Government first.

Get the UK out of the EU.
Then simply pass Acts of Attainder against the Traitors . . .
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I understand the BNP have a former senior police officer, Michael Barnbrook exposing corruption in the House of Commons etc.
The BNP does indeed have this esteemed member of the community within its ranks. In fact there are a number of former rozzers adding to the growing membership list!
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It would appear that Burgess is so determined to convince others of his views that, like Mote, he's not fussy about who he associates with so long as they give him platform time.
Its true I would even associte with you.
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Even me? I don't know whether to be polite or honest!
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Reprisals from whom?

Ted Heath's relatives? I suppose they could sue for defamation but that would be about it.

MI5/MI6? They haven't got the resources to cope with the terrorists that are apparently oozing from every sink estate and ghetto in urban Britain.

Barnby's and Shrimpton's pet favourite - the DVD? No comment, I'm far too polite.

The EU? It's possible that they might treat Burgess to the same treatment as meted out to Tillack. I would have thought that would be ample provocation for a full scale exposé on the machinations of the EU machine. Something to hope for, rather than avoid.

What is highly unlikely is the umbrella filled with ricin or the double-tapping of undesirables.

Whistleblowers are usually brave enough to expose corruption regardless of likely reprisals. If Burgess is as brave (read foolhardy?) as he claims, why would he fear reprisals?

I'm sorry, but IMHO, somebody has been economical with their version of events.
I do not fear reprisals others are not me and they do not delieve they will be killed, rather that they will have their ability to work and earn a living will suffer serious interferance. Unlike me they did not take an oath with the words, "I solemmnly and sincerely delare and affirm that I will well and truly serve our sovereign Lady the Queen in the office of Constable without favour or affection, malice or ill will, and that I will, to the best of my power cause the peace to be kept and preserved, and prevent all offences against the persons ansd properties of Her Majesty's subjects,and that while I continue to hold the said office I will, to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law." I consider that it was a great honour to searve her Majesty in the office of Constable. Nor do I claim to be brave I was asked what brave things I had done, I simply picked a few examples of things which occured during my policing career, which others consider to have shown courage I saw a job to be done and I did it. No more and no less. Like the time that I answered a call to Sadlers Wells where they had a ticking briefcase in the left luggage office which I picked up and carried into a grassed area with walls on two sides and was some distance from the flates, this was when the IRA were using a job lot of clockwork alarm clocks as timers, my collegiues said I should get a Goerge Cross for that, I simple took a calculated risk that if it was a bomb it would be timed to go of in seven minutes when the public were turning out and not whilst I was carrying it. You are not ardvark in mufty by any chance?
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No, I'm not Aardvark in mufti. Unlike Aardvark, I've an acerbic turn of phrase and a overwhelming temptation on occasion to puncture bombastic verbosity, regardless of how illiterate its wrapper.

I'm surprised you survived 5 minutes as a hobby bobby if your claims of running along live underground lines and moving UXDs are accurate.

If I'd been your C.O., your feet wouldn't have touched the ground for long enough for you to have a hats-on interview.

Some of us on this forum know a lot more than you give us credit for, including the details of how police forces, underground rail services and the sea cadets actually operate.

You're not impressing me so far, but then, neither is aarable.
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Barristers don't live in fear of reprisals for helping unpopular or controversial clients: it goes with the territory. Been there, done that. The problem is that while Ted Heath & al. may morally have been traitors, legally they weren't, nor are their successors.

Treason in law is a crime against the Sovereign, not the people, and she has given her assent to every treaty and every Act of Parliament of which the Eurosceptics complain, so allegations of "treason" have no basis in law. If emotional people with no legal knowledge or training persuade themselves otherwise, they are deluded.

Sorry to be so blunt, but that is the position. Wishing it weren't won't change it.
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