Aardvark

gimlet,

It has been suggested, by a very senior UKIP member, that I fight another constituency for UKIP. I wonder why I would bother. I appear to be in a party where many members are certifiable.

Nobody is going to be charged with treason over the EEC entry. What happened was wrong, but you have to have named individuals in the frame. It is not enough to blame the people at the top without very clear evidence. I'm beginning to wonder why nobody will get a proper legal opinion from someone who knows about the subject. It's as if people don't want to be disappointed by an adverse legal opinion.

If anybody was sincere about this action they would go round all of the Eurosceptic fora and chat groups and ask for some money.

gimlet, do you remember me running the aircrew pay and pensions action - I got £15K+ and was able to pay a solicitor and 2 barristers (one is now a QC) for an opinion, copies of which were circulated to all contributors. It was disappointing to be told we didn't have a case, but at least we knew why. We had so many contributors that nobody paid more than about £37 give or take on the squadron funds. The thing developed a momentum of its own and people 'phoned from all over the RAF to offer support. It's not easy, but it is achievable. I reckon £15-20K would do the job.

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The Bear

Entering the EEC was not wrong, remaining in when it mutated into the EU certainly was.

rjt

Please tell us you are joking.

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Aardvark

I actually meant the process by which we were pushed into the EEC. Had it been nothing more than a genuine free trade area with a few shared regulations that were pragmatic and non-invasive then I think we would have all gone for it.

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The Bear

No, not joking at all. The shame was that Britain didn’t join the Common Market when it was first founded.

Joining what was at the time the European Economic Community was exactly the right thing to do.

Changes in world economic trends, the emerging third world industrial capacity (and buying power), the disintegration of the British Empire and the knock on effects that had, all went together to show that the right economic path for Britain was as a member of the EUROPEAN Bloc.

Where things went wrong was when the EEC took on a national identity in its own right and Britain didn’t get out then.

The effects on Britain would have been profound as a very great of foreign investment that did take place would not have and we would have ended up as a very different nation than we have.

Maybe some form of Tax Shelter for European business and individuals, certainly we would be living in a very different country than we are today, and the dreadful immigration that is doing so much damage to our country simply would not have taken place.

But we are where we are.

Reverting to being what we might have been can now no longer take place. I am utterly convinced that the only opportunities for Britain today and for the future lay with being joined at the hip with the EU.

I just dread to think of what the conditions will now have to be met. Certainly the bubble of economic hyperactivity that New Labour has engineered will have to be followed by a period of horrible deflation and all that follows on from that.

I fancy what the nation had to endure as Mrs Thatcher’s government restored the nation to health will be as nothing compared to what will follow the departure of the shower of charlatans and fools that are presently in power.

Firefly

Exactly what my mother in law said last night on the phone. She said way back when they were all for it as they were led to believe it would bring prices of goods more in line with the continent. She was all for a 50pence bottle of wine!

Populist Lee

Just curious . . .
Did you ask Mr Burgess beforehand whether he would appreciate being "outed" on a public forum?

As it happens he doesn't seem to mind.

I note you are being coy about Peter Strudwick, however.

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Vortex

Yes I'll gladly answer your question. No I did not ask him personally, but I would not have "outed" him on this forum if he had not already been "outed" in the Bucks Herald, which mentioned that he had attended as a speaker. The same paper in turn had contacted senior UKIP officials who knew full well about Albert's address to the BNP meeting and were "dealing" with it, right up to Farage knowing about it. Obviously this was then picked up all the professional "anti-fascists" such as Searchlight and LUAF. Therefore it was already in the public domain.

I would not wish to cause Albert any embarrassment, on the contrary I think he is a brave man whose patriotism and committment to seeing Britain get out of the EU transcends party rivalries. Where he leads the way, I hope that others follow, cooperation and unity against the monolith of the EU is the only way we can effectively challenge it.

Regarding Peter Strudwick, how am I being coy about it? He used to be a councillor in Westminster and is now in the BNP.

gimlet

Yes a good point,so lets talk party priorities. Do we try a campaign and use £15-20 on an important legal opinion or do we waste £36,000 on a figurehead treasurer? I understand that Albert has had solicitors look at the evidence and they have agreed that high treason has taken place in government. The problem is that the person who puts their name to that opinion will then live in fear of reprisals.

Populist Lee

Yes, thanks for clearing that up.
I don't read the Bucks Herald - - not my area.

"Peter Strudwick" is a nom de plume I believe.
But to be fair, this individual makes no secret of his BNP membership. All credit to him.

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