Aardvark

Albert, as a result of your decision I have decided to stand against UKIP at the next GE.

You are wrong.

If you and Barnby and others are right get some money together and get proper legal advice. You won't because you'll be told that you have not been able to demonstrate a 'guilty mind' (mens rea as was). You have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the people you accuse committed the offence and that they knew they were doing it. You do not have that evidence and the fact that 80 people have wandered into police stations to make allegations that they cannot support is not a cause for pride.

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Vortex

Good on you Mr Burgess. Why shouldn't you speak to a room full of your fellow Britons and impart your concern about issues that affect our country.

People like RJT opine their ill informed views about the modern BNP, stuck in a mindset imparted to them by the media.

They'll expect you to have addressed a room full of "thugs", "skinheads" and "nazis". Personally, I believe you will have spoken to a room full of decent, intelligent and courteous men and women.

Good luck to you.

British-Conservatism

The BNP's 18 years of National Socialism is what holds most people back from joining it seems.
A party that has changed it's ideology but not it's name.

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Aardvark

Albert, well done, but I also have military time served under my belt and don't wear my medal when I give talks (16 years full time commissioned service and 18 months as a TA infantryman - officers don't get long service or good conduct medals). My medal, GSM with Northern Ireland clasp, comes out once a year for Remembrance Sunday to remind me of the many young men who I will not be meeting again in this lifetime.

Long service as a Special Constable is laudable, but it is not a legal qualification. What was your 'real job'? What are your academic qualifications?

You wrote to me about Bracton, the thirteenth century plagiarist, as if he was current. Your copy of Hood Phillips is several print runs out of date. What current law do you know or have access to?

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"I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

Hunter

Your loss then. However, I think it should be noted that, as all the Parties represented on this forum claim to believe in democracy and free speech etc, shouldn't you at least get to know who your 'enemy' is. You may be surprised at what you find. As it's more than likely the second hand information you have was gleaned from sources like Searchlight, then I can only assume you don't really believe in doing proper research, otherwise you wouldn't be so quick to condemn what others believe to be right.

twizzel

I did on average 20 hours a week with the Met where I worked the red light district at Kings Cross as a home beat officer on late turn and night duty, and on same hours at Harlesden Sation on Kilburn largely on foot patrol Harlesden is where they are getting black on black shootings between rival drugs gangs on a regular basis, it has always been a bad area. For the rest of my life I held the rank of instructor Chief Petty Officer SCC RNVR which required that I attened training with the Royal Navy I hold a nile certificate which means I am qualified or was it is now out of date in survival at sea, by trade I am a french polisher I have collectivelly 42 years voluntary service to my country, whilst holding down a day job and raising a family. All I need though I do have more to press these allegations is to be an Englishman whose country has been betrayed by the scum of the earth. What is your excuse for working with the enemy/

Vortex

I find it obnoxious to see fellow UKIP members round on Mr Burgess in this fashion. What for? His great sin is to speak at a meeting of 60 people who happened to be BNP members about a cause we all passionately believe in, the betrayal of this country by selling it out to the EU, the most complicit person in this betrayal being Heath. He has clearly said he is willing to address other organizations.

I have no doubt Mr Burgess would be willing to give a talk to the Liberal Party, EDP or any other party that professed anti-EU credentials.

twizzel

This is why the documents I have are loaded with bits about not letting this get out THIS HAS TO STAY IN THIS ROOM OR WE SHOULD TRY NOT TO KEEP RECORDS OF THESE MEETINGS THESE DOCUMENTS ARE LOADED WITH MENS REA, the government were told in 1971 in FCO30/1048 that if heath went ahead within 3 decades this country would have lost its constituion and would cease to be an independant soveriegn state and would mearly be a region of europe and that was what the civil servants at the foriegn office wanted because they bekieved they would get power in europe. How wrong can you be, as to legal advice two solicitors have seen these documents and have said they evidence treason at the highest levels of government. Dave Barnby is in fact the hero of this action because if he had bnot spent hours of his time and hundreds of pounds of his own money digging out this evidence we would have no case. By all means stand for election we still have freedom in this country a freedom you appear to be prepared to surrender. Maybe you should change your name to Quisling

twizzel

All of the BNP people I have spoken to are disgusted ex members of the 3 main parties who have given up on the main parties and are looking for a home which shares their views. I was talking to a UKIP member today who happens to be black who told me that the BNP TRIED VERY HARD TO GET HIM TO JOIN.

Aardvark

Albert, I don't work with the enemy, whoever you imagine them to be.

I have always admired all the reserve services and your commitment is exemplary. SCC is Sea Cadet Corps is it not? Again supporting our young people is exemplary and becoming a CPO is an achievement, even if you'd have had to salute me if we met in uniform. I was a CSRO (Combat Survival and Rescue Officer) and can teach survival on land and at sea - what is your point?

Each of us does out own bit to help our country or community. In the regular service I did lots of secondary duties (jobs outside my normal professional qualification) and most were voluntary. I have also been a Town Councillor (unpaid) for 8 years and a District Councillor for 4 (new payment scheme for the last year only, although I was expelled from the Tories for voting against it). I was a part-time non-exec of a PCT (paid a basic amount) and I am still an unpaid member of the Oxfordshire Schools Admissions Appeals Panel. Civic service and public duty are things I need no lectures on.

Yesterday Brian Gerrish called me a traitor for disagreeing with his world view, David Noakes has accused me of treason on this forum. Dave Barnby has called me Illuminati for being in a private society. Albert says I work with the enemy, whoever they are imagined to be.

Why do so many conspiracy theorists resort to insulting people who disagree with them?

I'm not going to take the CD into a police station and ask for it to be investigated (Dave has already done Witney I would assume in any event). It is a waste of police time.

If 80 people had paid £200 each you would have £16,000 to brief a solicitor and counsel; that would have been more effective than walking into a police station. That is more than enough to get an informed opinion on the law and the way your 'proof' relates to it. You would have been asked to clarify points, collate the paperwork so that it pointed to a clear presumption of guilt and provide any additional background. A couple of witness statements from people who were senior civil servants or government officials at the time would help. It is expensive and it is hard work.

If you come up with a counsel's opinion that says that sedition or treason has been committed then I will listen, but I would strongly advise you to stop wasting your time until then.

When doing public speaking don't wear medals if you're not serving, not in uniform or not at a function where miniatures or decorations might be appropriate or have been asked for. It looks silly.

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When in Woking do as the Wokes do.

"I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008