BNP and UKIP Membership Figures

Hunter · 09-03-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

The party will try and do that, we cant keep our mouths shut because it may be too hard to get the prood out to people. We have an uphill struggle and we are willing and ready to fight that struggle.

Prood??...

Sounds ominous...Can I have some please...

For_England · 09-03-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blueblood1920

I just hope you can take my word for it.

I can't take your word, but I will definately keep it in mind. I think Kemp is a great speaker, and I was disappointed in the attacks on him. Anyway, the BNP is our only hope right now, and we need to support it, warts and all.

david H · 14-03-2008, 05:29 AM

For those following the debate between the bnp and theb rebels might be interested to know that NICK GRIFFIN LAUNCHES HIGH COURT ACTION AGAINST 'REBELS'

Griffin has issued High Court writs (returnable at Manchester High Court tomorrow, Friday 14th March) against Sadie Graham and her associates in the recent revolt against him.
The cause of his action is the alleged abuse of the party's membership lists to circulate "factional" information to the party's membership.
Graham and her associates are to fight the action and have instructed London solicitors Sempik & Co. Solicitor Tessa Sempik is the wife of Richard Verrall, the former National Front administation officer and former editor of 'Spearhead' from 1976 to 1981. Richard Verrall is now a legal executive with the firm.
Sempik & Co have instructed barrister Adrian Davies to represent the Defendants at the hearing In Manchester tomorrow and at subsequent hearings.
The revolt of Graham and her friends was fizzling out, but now he has brought this dispute into the High Court, there is no knowing where the matter will end. Griffin may seek to focus solely on the alleged use which Graham and her friends made of BNP membership lists. But issues in High Court actions tend to widen-out. There are other connected issues which will be brought before the court, such as:

1. The unauthorised (and possibly illegal) entry by Griffin 'security' spooks into Graham's home and the removal of her computer.

2. The expulsion from the party of Graham and numerous other officials and members by means that are contrary to Common Law precepts of Natural Justice.

3. The management of BNP members' funds.

blueblood1920 · 14-03-2008, 10:41 AM

I dont believe that any reasons for using them will be a good enough defence to justify breaking data protection laws. If Nick can get money out of these cretins and searchlight agents then good for him, every penny will help the GLA campaign.

Populist Lee · 14-03-2008, 02:13 PM

This will be a very interesting court case.

I have no idea as to which side is going to lose.

david H · 14-03-2008, 02:29 PM

The problem you have Blue Blood is the recent letters sent out for donations was sent to people who have not been members for some time. There is a limit to how long people's records can be stored under the data Protection Act. Both sides are in the same boat.

blueblood1920 · 14-03-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by david H

The problem you have Blue Blood is the recent letters sent out for donations was sent to people who have not been members for some time. There is a limit to how long people's records can be stored under the data Protection Act. Both sides are in the same boat.

What time limit is that?
I am not sure what Section 19 (4-5) is talking about, but I found this on a web site:

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The fifth principle of the Data Protection Act states that 'personal data kept for any purpose shouldn't be kept for longer than necessary'. Data controllers would therefore need to have their own retention policy.

and:

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Q: When should I erase personal information from our computer system?
You should ensure that all information is erased if it is no longer required for business purposes.

So the party may be able to hold the information of past members and also Excalibur for business reasons such as they have been doing already. The Party using data they have legally been given and Sadie and Co using data they were no longer entitled to use are totally different situations.
Baisically its like an employee who has been sacked/resigned of ASDA taking their customer details database and giving it to TESCO to use.

Hunter · 14-03-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

This will be a very interesting court case.

I have no idea as to which side is going to lose.

Both sides are going to lose on this one. All this case is going to highlight are the 'flaws' in the BNP system and the reasons the 'rebels' decided they needed to take action. Which will advance their cause, but at what cost?

Hartlepool · 14-03-2008, 06:05 PM

I would think that if a bnp member wrote to them resigning their membership of the bnp,the bnp would not be within its rights if it used that members details thereafter.

Perhaps the same would apply if the bnp also banned a member.

Am I correct in thinking this way?

Populist Lee · 14-03-2008, 06:28 PM

Of course no one can say how such a case will progress beforehand.

One caveat to david H's post above is that the Orignal source of the information we have been given is it's from Martin Webster.

He is not Nick Griffin's greatest admirer, it has to be said.

If Adrian Davies has been appointed as the Defendants' QC, it is not likely that Webster will know how AD will choose to conduct the Defence.

Edit. This is in answer to #108

14-03-2008, 05:29 AM	#103 (permalink)
david H Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 773	Griffin's writ against the Rebels. For those following the debate between the bnp and theb rebels might be interested to know that NICK GRIFFIN LAUNCHES HIGH COURT ACTION AGAINST 'REBELS' Griffin has issued High Court writs (returnable at Manchester High Court tomorrow, Friday 14th March) against Sadie Graham and her associates in the recent revolt against him. The cause of his action is the alleged abuse of the party's membership lists to circulate "factional" information to the party's membership. Graham and her associates are to fight the action and have instructed London solicitors Sempik & Co. Solicitor Tessa Sempik is the wife of Richard Verrall, the former National Front administation officer and former editor of 'Spearhead' from 1976 to 1981. Richard Verrall is now a legal executive with the firm. Sempik & Co have instructed barrister Adrian Davies to represent the Defendants at the hearing In Manchester tomorrow and at subsequent hearings. The revolt of Graham and her friends was fizzling out, but now he has brought this dispute into the High Court, there is no knowing where the matter will end. Griffin may seek to focus solely on the alleged use which Graham and her friends made of BNP membership lists. But issues in High Court actions tend to widen-out. There are other connected issues which will be brought before the court, such as: 1. The unauthorised (and possibly illegal) entry by Griffin 'security' spooks into Graham's home and the removal of her computer. 2. The expulsion from the party of Graham and numerous other officials and members by means that are contrary to Common Law precepts of Natural Justice. 3. The management of BNP members' funds.

14-03-2008, 02:13 PM	#105 (permalink)
Populist Lee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Poole in Dorset Posts: 1,820 Party: Other	This will be a very interesting court case. I have no idea as to which side is going to lose. __________________ ENGLISH POPULISM Stands as the only obstacle in the path of the Plutocrats who seek to reduce all the Peoples of the World to Economic and Political Slavery under Globalism POPULISM MEANS WHAT YOU WANT IS WHAT YOU GET

14-03-2008, 06:28 PM	#110 (permalink)
Populist Lee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Poole in Dorset Posts: 1,820 Party: Other	Of course no one can say how such a case will progress beforehand. One caveat to david H's post above is that the Orignal source of the information we have been given is it's from Martin Webster. He is not Nick Griffin's greatest admirer, it has to be said. If Adrian Davies has been appointed as the Defendants' QC, it is not likely that Webster will know how AD will choose to conduct the Defence. Edit. This is in answer to #108 __________________ ENGLISH POPULISM Stands as the only obstacle in the path of the Plutocrats who seek to reduce all the Peoples of the World to Economic and Political Slavery under Globalism POPULISM MEANS WHAT YOU WANT IS WHAT YOU GET Last edited by Populist Lee; 14-03-2008 at 06:33 PM.

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14-03-2008, 10:41 AM	#104 (permalink)
blueblood1920 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Liverpool Posts: 971 Party: BNP	I dont believe that any reasons for using them will be a good enough defence to justify breaking data protection laws. If Nick can get money out of these cretins and searchlight agents then good for him, every penny will help the GLA campaign.

14-03-2008, 02:29 PM	#106 (permalink)
david H Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 773	The problem you have Blue Blood is the recent letters sent out for donations was sent to people who have not been members for some time. There is a limit to how long people's records can be stored under the data Protection Act. Both sides are in the same boat.

14-03-2008, 06:05 PM	#109 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,413	I would think that if a bnp member wrote to them resigning their membership of the bnp,the bnp would not be within its rights if it used that members details thereafter. Perhaps the same would apply if the bnp also banned a member. Am I correct in thinking this way?