To all you English Sepratist types...

steve fowler · 13-02-2008, 10:07 PM

I wonder why?!

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brad12jy · 13-02-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jgrabham

He's 15 anyway...

And Im15 and from the NE too - hence the Im British, not English thing, and I wouldnt dare.

have you joined a party yet?

Andrew Constantine · 13-02-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter

I'm British first too. Born and raised in Scotland, but proud to be British.

Regarding application forms. There is one large company (don't know if I'm allowed to name it here) that has omitted British from it's list of Ethnic Origins. It has White European and White Irish, but not British.

Hunter

I think you should name the company if it does not damage your employment.

But thinking of the huge and uncontrolled immigration into the UK in recent years, you have to ask what does "British" mean?

Also, Britain was never a nation as such, and you cannot say whether someone is ethnically British or not, at least now (and perhaps you never could).

Identities can change over time. You might start to regard yourself as Scottish, or if you live in England you might start to regard yourself as English. It is your choice.

If you are living in England and support the gift of English tax revenues to the other home nations of the UK, Gordon Brown will wish to call you British. He of course is a Scottish nationalist doing very well out of "Britain".

Regards

cassie · 13-02-2008, 11:30 PM

The Irish, Scots and Welsh invariably say they're British because it enables them to come to England for paid employment. Anyone can be British, but not anyone can be English. In fact, many of those who dump their carcasses here do not even want to be 'British' in the sense of fitting in here, only for rights of access.

'Nation' can be defined as "a large group of people sharing the same culture, language or history and inhabiting a particular territory."

I don't 'share' (for example) Irish or Scots Gaelic or Welsh languages. Scotland has a separate legal system and now education system. Neither St Andrew nor St David nor St Patrick nor St George is a 'British' patron saint. Do I really need to go on . . . ?

Britain or more precisely the UK is a state, not a nation. 'British' is not a nationality, even though it suits individuals like Brown to say it is!

I am English in nationality first and foremost, and British in citizenship second. No doubt if I live long enough I shall have EU-ism forced upon me in the way Britishness is being imposed at the expense of Englishness.

I avoid completing any forms about ethnicity where English is not included.

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Britannist · 14-02-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jgrabham

Could I just point out

I'm NOT English
I'm NOT Scottish
I'm NOT Irish (northern or republic)
I'm NOT Welsh

I AM BRITISH - And I'm very proud of it.

It is possible to be both British and English and to derive identity equally from both.

We must fight to keep the UK and the best way to do this (to reduce anti-UK feeling in England) is to give England equality with Scotland within the UK.

The English must have the same control over their internal affairs as the Scottish have had since devolution. Only English constituency MPs must be allowed to vote on specifically English matters before the House of Commons.

Britannist · 14-02-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

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British first, English second.

A great flag - a design classic.

The Union Jack (Union Flag): probably the most recognisable flag in the world.

Hunter · 14-02-2008, 03:08 PM

How far back do we have to go before it's determined 'what' our Nationality should be?

Before the Romans took control of these Islands, there were no 'borders' only Brits. The northern 'country' came into being when Hadrian had the wall built. When the Romans left there was, for a brief instance, a reunification. This was short lived because of the Anglo-Saxon influence.

My point is, that for some thousands of years, Britain was indeed a United Kingdom, as it is now. The SNP have pushed for an Independent Scotland since the North Sea oil was discovered. Their reasoning being that Scotland could survive on it's own with it. Should Scotland vote for Independence it will almost certainly result in Scotland needing to apply to the EU. This will mean that England will have to re-apply. Which will put England in a much weaker position for negotiation.

In this way, it should become clear that Scottish Independence would be a two edged sword. It could mean weaker links with Europe, or, may even allow England to withdraw from Europe.

jgrabham · 14-02-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

It is possible to be both British and English and to derive identity equally from both.

Quite possibly, but not if you live up here, in the land that does not exist according to London... that bit past manchester... ITS CALLED THE NORTH!!!

Westcountryman · 14-02-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jgrabham

Quite possibly, but not if you live up here, in the land that does not exist according to London... that bit past manchester... ITS CALLED THE NORTH!!!

Hey, join the club...Cornwall is treated as the Country's beach and back garden. They're quite content to ruin the place in the summer and let it rot in the winter.

City folk have little or no respect for the Countryside, have no idea how the Countryside works or about rural affairs.

Prime example - ask a typical city dweller about fox hunting - and then ask someone who actually lives out in the sticks (and actually sees foxes).

Westcountryman · 14-02-2008, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter

How far back do we have to go before it's determined 'what' our Nationality should be?

Before the Romans took control of these Islands, there were no 'borders' only Brits. The northern 'country' came into being when Hadrian had the wall built. When the Romans left there was, for a brief instance, a reunification. This was short lived because of the Anglo-Saxon influence.

My point is, that for some thousands of years, Britain was indeed a United Kingdom, as it is now. The SNP have pushed for an Independent Scotland since the North Sea oil was discovered. Their reasoning being that Scotland could survive on it's own with it. Should Scotland vote for Independence it will almost certainly result in Scotland needing to apply to the EU. This will mean that England will have to re-apply. Which will put England in a much weaker position for negotiation.

In this way, it should become clear that Scottish Independence would be a two edged sword. It could mean weaker links with Europe, or, may even allow England to withdraw from Europe.

The United Kingdom is a nation - One Queen, one Sovereign Parliament.....

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13-02-2008, 11:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
cassie Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,906	The Irish, Scots and Welsh invariably say they're British because it enables them to come to England for paid employment. Anyone can be British, but not anyone can be English. In fact, many of those who dump their carcasses here do not even want to be 'British' in the sense of fitting in here, only for rights of access. 'Nation' can be defined as *"a large group of people sharing the same culture, language or history and inhabiting a particular territory."* I don't 'share' (for example) Irish or Scots Gaelic or Welsh languages. Scotland has a separate legal system and now education system. Neither St Andrew nor St David nor St Patrick nor St George is a 'British' patron saint. Do I really need to go on . . . ? Britain or more precisely the UK is a state, not a nation. 'British' is not a nationality, even though it suits individuals like Brown to say it is! I am English in nationality first and foremost, and British in citizenship second. No doubt if I live long enough I shall have EU-ism forced upon me in the way Britishness is being imposed at the expense of Englishness. I avoid completing any forms about ethnicity where English is not included. _____________________________

14-02-2008, 03:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
Hunter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 820	How far back do we have to go before it's determined 'what' our Nationality should be? Before the Romans took control of these Islands, there were no 'borders' only Brits. The northern 'country' came into being when Hadrian had the wall built. When the Romans left there was, for a brief instance, a reunification. This was short lived because of the Anglo-Saxon influence. My point is, that for some thousands of years, Britain was indeed a United Kingdom, as it is now. The SNP have pushed for an Independent Scotland since the North Sea oil was discovered. Their reasoning being that Scotland could survive on it's own with it. Should Scotland vote for Independence it will almost certainly result in Scotland needing to apply to the EU. This will mean that England will have to re-apply. Which will put England in a much weaker position for negotiation. In this way, it should become clear that Scottish Independence would be a two edged sword. It could mean weaker links with Europe, or, may even allow England to withdraw from Europe.