Written Consititution on the way?

rjt · 13-02-2008, 09:55 AM

BBC NEWS | Politics | Straw's written constitution hint

mkpdavies · 13-02-2008, 10:10 AM

I dread to think what it will look like, written up by this bunch of Commies and fascists.

rjt · 13-02-2008, 10:14 AM

Of course if this government had not vandelised the old one beyond repair we would not need a new written one!

However like Matt I dread to think what it will look like.

Smidgey · 13-02-2008, 10:21 AM

I like how he just talks of creating new rights and responsibilities... Typical leftist thinking they can pluck thing out of thin air to support their case.

Thankfully, it will have to go to referendum.

Aardvark · 13-02-2008, 11:40 AM

Nice of him to tell the Americans first. What is this stuff about citizens? I thought we were still subjects, but that's the point.

If we have a written constitution who will be Head of State? Will the Act of Succession be incorporated or will this be an opportunity for our new 'citizens' from around the world to abolish our monarchy as irrelevant in a modern age?

A referendum of Poles and Pakistanis will produce a different constitution to a referendum of English, Welsh, Scots and Irish.

Will our new constitution subordinate us to the EU and place EU law as paramount (as it is de facto in any event) or will we regain our rights?

In 20 years time we might have duties and obligations to the EU that cannot be overridden by duties to Queen and country.

This constitution will end up being as legally binding as the Boy Scout's Pledge, but it will abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords and all our dated customs and traditions that need modernising.

This is all part of the softening up process.

Geoffrey Collier · 13-02-2008, 01:21 PM

Aardvark: I agree, but Constitutional changes have already taken place which are ignored by the Executive, Legislature and the Judiciary. The Queen
already has an EU citizenship which complements her national one. After 'Lisbon' her citizenship will be in addition to her national one. Soon, less than the twenty years you predict, the EU citizenship will be the dominant one.

The Statutes of Westminster (1931) state that all matters,'which touch upon the succession', must be placed before the parliaments of the Dominions.
A Monarch, with a citizenship, which itself is subservient to the citizenship of another foreign power, 'touches upon the succession', based upon any intelligent interpretation of those Statutes. What is being done about this? Absolutely nothing. Our Constitution and laws have been suspended and our nation state is in the final stages of dismantlement. We are to be defeated without even a murmur from the populace. What a stoic people we are- or are we merely mad?

g hall · 13-02-2008, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I dread to think what it will look like, written up by this bunch of Commies and fascists.

article 1: We own you body and soul
article 2: We can do what we like

That's pretty much it

13-02-2008, 09:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,479	Written Consititution on the way? BBC NEWS \| Politics \| Straw's written constitution hint __________________ Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO! (Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990) Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,083 Party: Libertarian Party	I dread to think what it will look like, written up by this bunch of Commies and fascists. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

13-02-2008, 10:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,479	Of course if this government had not vandelised the old one beyond repair we would not need a new written one! However like Matt I dread to think what it will look like. __________________ Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO! (Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990) Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

13-02-2008, 10:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,210 Party: Libertarian Party	I like how he just talks of creating new rights and responsibilities... Typical leftist thinking they can pluck thing out of thin air to support their case. Thankfully, it will have to go to referendum. __________________ How vain is man, who boasts in fight the valour of gigantic might! -Georg Friedrich Händel

13-02-2008, 11:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,974	Nice of him to tell the Americans first. What is this stuff about citizens? I thought we were still subjects, but that's the point. If we have a written constitution who will be Head of State? Will the Act of Succession be incorporated or will this be an opportunity for our new 'citizens' from around the world to abolish our monarchy as irrelevant in a modern age? A referendum of Poles and Pakistanis will produce a different constitution to a referendum of English, Welsh, Scots and Irish. Will our new constitution subordinate us to the EU and place EU law as paramount (as it is de facto in any event) or will we regain our rights? In 20 years time we might have duties and obligations to the EU that cannot be overridden by duties to Queen and country. This constitution will end up being as legally binding as the Boy Scout's Pledge, but it will abolish the monarchy and the House of Lords and all our dated customs and traditions that need modernising. This is all part of the softening up process. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

13-02-2008, 01:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,168	Aardvark: I agree, but Constitutional changes have already taken place which are ignored by the Executive, Legislature and the Judiciary. The Queen already has an EU citizenship which complements her national one. After 'Lisbon' her citizenship will be in addition to her national one. Soon, less than the twenty years you predict, the EU citizenship will be the dominant one. The Statutes of Westminster (1931) state that all matters,'which touch upon the succession', must be placed before the parliaments of the Dominions. A Monarch, with a citizenship, which itself is subservient to the citizenship of another foreign power, 'touches upon the succession', based upon any intelligent interpretation of those Statutes. What is being done about this? Absolutely nothing. Our Constitution and laws have been suspended and our nation state is in the final stages of dismantlement. We are to be defeated without even a murmur from the populace. What a stoic people we are- or are we merely mad?

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