david H

One of the reasons for the nastiness or fascism from the liberal-left is that their ideology is no longer developing but stagnating and they are raising their voices to compensenate. It has become quaint and ossified. As For England noted on another thread it is the Nationalists who are developing ideas and this is why the "liberal-minded" are calling ever widening circles of people neo-Nazis - desperation. Tom has sunk to that level now but in his heart he knows Barnbrook does not fit that label and so the abuse loses its force.
This is why their political representatives are resorting to political persecution: they sense that their views are losing moral authority and they no longer have right on their side. A Belgian priest who fled to europe to escape religous persecution is being persecuted by the Belgian Government; a Jewish man is being persecuted in Canada by the Human Rights commission and there have been several examples here. In their own little way Tom and others are trying to oppress people with terms of abuse. They are so out of touch with new developments that they actually think they are fighting for "individualism" and "rights" while they slot people into collectives to abuse and oppress them. It is smidgey I feel sorry for: an intelligent young man who, at the age when he should be rebelling against the tired, old orthodoxy, is gleefully promoting it.

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Hunter

I really don't know how well the BNP will do there, but I do know that the efforts of the BNP activists in the region will do everything in their power (legally ) to hurt Cruddas' vote. That is what he is aware of and knows that the BNP do have a lot more support than they did before. I may, if I don't stand for election in my own area, go up to give them a hand. He really is a nasty piece of work, and that isn't from BNP folk, but from others who have crossed swords with him. The sooner he goes the better.

Tom Wilde

Some examples of bold new thinking from the BNP:

Hunter

Is that it? Is that all you can muster as examples of BNP thinking? Even then you got it totally wrong. But I suppose most people realise this already. What it tells me you either have done absolutely no research and are really just clutching at straws, or, you have done your research and didn't like what you saw so reverted to the standard pattern of the mainstream Parties which is to deny everything about the BNP and lie through your teeth about them.

Which one is it?

blueblood1920

Just shows what type of people we are up against, the BNP were the first political party in the UK to take up the issue of peak oil!

Frith

Peak Oil is considered to be another conspiracy theory or myth. This doesn't mean alternative fuel sources should not be developed, they should. This will prevent some of the human created global warming phenomena. But global warming is another issue utilized by conspiracy theorists. Climate change happens and is happening now. Humans can alter climate and ecology, but they cannot entirely prevent it. Humans can use up the oil and should actively seek alternatives (they are) but they haven't used it all up and fossil fuel utilization will be with us for the next few centuries albeit by means of more efficient power plants.

mkpdavies

While I am still not decided on the issue, I actually do give credit to the Nazis for bringing up the issue of peak oil. It does have a certain amount of logic behind it.

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blueblood1920

I dont know how anyone can say peak oil isnt true, oil is a resource which is limited. We have more of it than we have ever used that is granted, however we are using it at a much faster rate than ever before. With the growth of economies such as India and China it will only get depleted faster. Peak Oil is a very real issue, and we are seeing the start of it with the price of fuel now over the £1 barrier.
As for Global Warming it is not man made, there is no hard evidence to prove it is only speculation. I feel the evidence which proves its natural is 1000 times stronger, we should spend our money on adapting to Global Warming not preventing it. You can call something a conspiracy, but doesnt mean that its not true.

Tom Wilde

From memory, the theory of peak oil was developed by an American in the 1950s. The mathematical model he developed successfully predicted when the US would reach its peak oil production, around 1970, and since then the model has been very widely accepted and used by govt departments and universities. Everyone knows that oil is limited,, and must run out sometime; the peak oil model simply gives some mathematical indication of when and how fast this will happen.

Are you claiming that the BNP developed this idea in some meaningful way? I'd be very surprised. Or are you claiming that the BNP were the first political party to realise that peak oil theory had implications for energy policy? In that case, I'm absolutely certain you are wrong. Like I say, this stuff had been around for decades already when the BNP was formed.

Tom Wilde

I'm not saying the BNP doesn't have a Big Idea; I'm simply saying that this isn't it, and that the Big Idea it has isn't a new one. Its Big Idea is roughly as follows:

Blame everything on some already unpopular minority, scare people into thinking that everything is going to get much worse, and then use people's fear to justify authoritarian policies.

Like I say, this isn't a new idea - it has been used by pretty much every tin-pot nationalist bully that ever walked on this green Earth. Hitler and Bush to name but two. The target minority changes, but the cynicism and dishonesty doesn't.

Griffin's only contribution has been to realize that the Jews were no longer unpopular enough (or numerous enough) to be a convincing scapegoat, and therefore switch his fire on the Muslims instead.