Populist Lee

Yes, well we'll know the tide has turned when BNP people put their real identities to posts made on public boards.

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Dissident Congress

I think Nick Griffin's business with Ghadaffi was before he got involved with the ITP. At the time he was a member of the NF political soldier fragment.

Robert Edwards

Griffin visited Libya with Derek Holland, a Third Positionist.

Dissident Congress

According to Wikipedia, Derek Holland and Nick Griffin both joined the ITP in 1989. The meeting with Ghadaffi took place in 1988.

Derek Holland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

twizzel

Yes I have spoken at BNP meetings on the treason of the Heath government for which according to the local paper who reported the meeting Farage is going to have me in front of the NEC where I will be removed from UKIP. However to answer your Question the BNP people I have spoken to at the various locations that we have met, have come accross to me as perfectly reasonable people. When asked why the BNP they tell me they were members of the three main parties and have seen the country slidding away from them, some are ex UKIP who have lost faith in the leadership, and looking around for a new political home they have found that the BNP stand out as the party which is closest to their view of the direction they want to go. These people are not 18 year old skinheads in bother boots they are people with experiance of life who would in an ideal world be in the tory party. In my humble opinion the danger in which this country finds itself is graver than at any time in our history, and we can not afford to allow petty party differances stop us working togther at the common task of saving this great country so that our children and grandchildren have some thing to inherit which is worth inheriting.

blueblood1920

If your expelled from UKIP it just shows that UKIP are the fascist party and not the BNP. Farage cant have his minions who keep him on the gravy train seeing the real face of the BNP.

Robert Edwards

In response to Dissident Congress (194) re Griffin and Holland:

The NF embraced the ideology of the Third Position as the Griffin faction took control, but they soon began to make some strange alliances. The "political soldiers" wing was meeting representatives of Colonel Gaddafi's regime through the Libyan People's Bureau in London, and expressing support for it and for Ayatollah Khomeini. Writing in Nationalism Today in 1985, Griffin praised the black separatist Louis Farrakhan, saying, "white nationalists everywhere wish [Farrakhan] well, for we share a common struggle for the same ends: Racial Separation and Racial Freedom". Unsurprisingly this did not go down too well with rank and file members of the NF.
During this period, Griffin took an all-expenses-paid trip to Libya, along with Derek Holland, as guests of the Gaddafi regime.
As National Front News wrote at the time: "Common interest must be turned into practical cooperation. Those involved must work to nail the media lies which are used by our enemies to try to divide us and make us afraid to be seen standing side by side with Third Way nations such as Libya and Iran."
In 1989, Griffin left the NF and formed the International Third Position, a crazy and fanatically Catholic fascist group. The ITP campaigned against Coca Cola, McDonald's, urbanisation and "Zionism" (the Jews).
His involvement was not to last. In 1991, after a failed business venture which cost another member several thousand pounds, Griffin went his own way.

Vortex

Well that's all in the past, some twenty years ago, lets deal with the present. The BNP stands alone amongst the political spectrum as the only party (with any clout) that can possibly challenge the status quo and the old gang parties.

Onwards and upwards to save this great nation!

Robert Edwards

It is funny how things are 'all in the past' when they prove embarrassing. In order to deal with the present it is always necessary to refer to the past. We are here as a result of the past. You can not ignore the past. If Nick Griffin had been involved in something more noteworthy other than crawling to the Libyan leader for a cash handout twenty years ago you would still be singing his praises in relation to those events. Now it is 'all in the past'.
Now Vortex is telling us to turn a blind eye to all of Griffin's shenanigans twenty years ago and concentrate on the present. What of the present and the claim that the BNP is a serious challenger to the mainstream parties?
It is the job of election campaigners to boost the prospects of a party engaged in the electoral process and the tendency to use hyperbole is inevitable.
The BNP's recent 'successes' have involved beating UKIP and Green Party candidates but there is not even a glimmer of any genuine challenge to the three big parties. 'Onwards and upwards' is one of those cheerful little phrases that is intended to inspire hope when, in fact, it has little to do with reality.

Vortex

Indeed Mr Edwards you cannot ignore the past, but you can learn from mistakes that were made in the past, realise that you have made them and change accordingly. That is what Nick Griffin has done and the reason why he leads the most succcessful British Nationalist party in British history. The vast majority of members have joined the party since the modernising wing gained control from the Tyndallites whose methods and views had proved unsuccessfull and impractical. We are also committed to democracy, and have rejected the type of political activities such as marches and rowdy public meetings that have usually ended in disorder, admittedly as a result of violent attacks by left wing extremists. Did the BUF or UM ever achieve a single elected representative let alone form the opposition group on a large London council? Did it ever achieve 800,000 votes and 5% of the votes in a national election?

The BNP is a long way off achieving real political power and we all know that, but as I have said it is the only viable vehicle in which that necessary change can be invoked.

Fascism is forever tainted by the atrocities and images from the Second World War, and Mosley despite his great intellect and brilliant oratory was always tarnished by his association with it. His unique and radical post war ideas on Europe A Nation are far removed from the monstrosity of the modern EU, but as you have opined the past always came back to haunt him.

Onwards and upwards might be a "cheerful little phrase" as you put it but I believe it to be more encouraging than "fascism next time".