For_England

No it was sacked by the Celts (probably including Britons) - third or fourth century BC. It was sacked by again two or three times in the fifth century ad. and while we're on it, it was sacked during the seventeenth century ad too.

Frith

David, I watched Barrack Obama's speech this morning, after watching Hillary Clinton's. It was on Sky News. As I watched Obama's and he began warming up after a long period of ovations, I began to hear the distinct sounds of national socialism. It was as clear as a bell. If people want to keep banging on about the BNP and Hitler (people do want to) they should take a look at Obama's recent speech in particular.

He starts off slowly with humility and then warms to the occasion. He speaks of "the people" in a way that would raise the dead if you happened to be from the blue collar or underprivileged sectors. By the time he was finished, I would reckon he had more or less wiped Clinton off his map and is heading into leadership potential.

A close match for the little Austrian corporal everyone thinks is merely hiding in the BNP waiting to get out. I think not. The new left is more national socialist than anything else around at the moment. It has rabble rousing potential and rabble rousers to back that up. Gone are the old school tie brigade and hello to the new age socialist rebels, playing on the fears of China and India's rise to economic power and lying through their teeth about what they are going to do about this.

None of these newfangled national socialists will be able to do anything at all about "putting America back to work" unless they re-assess the kind of work Americans will have to be doing as the new east is doing what they used to be doing and is going to continue to do so for a fraction of the wage and price of products.

This is why Hilary is failing and her funds are running out. It's all Obama fever. He has the jazz and he has the moment and he is seizing it with some of the most powerfully national socialist ideology and political rhetoric possibly heard since Hitler or Mosley.

Liberals should try to focus. The problem is not with the BNP. The BNP and any other patriotic groups now (not then, now) is the response to this new left national socialism. If patriotic groups have no answer to it then national socialism will sweep Britain (and scoop it up into the EU), this time coming from the new left.

david H

Liberalism, Libertarianism is finished and those who post on here anachronisms, which is why UKIP and EDP are failing. Liberalism was replaced by a new breed of liberals(cultural Marxists and PC) in the 60.s and 70.s but these have not noticed.
Those on here are themselves mixed-up. They talk about rights and individual liberty at the same time as they use totalitarian language designed to prevent thought like racism, homophobia and sexism. These words have no nuance and racism for example extends from not liking one for a reason to hating all because of their colour.

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"You think you are combatting prejudice but you are at war with nature". Edmund Burke.

http://www.buchanan.org/pa-98-1127.html

Frith

Yes, I can see a confusion and the breakdown of traditional interpretations of left and right. There is quite some vitriol in the "liberals" today that was absent among the classical versions. I think Libertarianism has been hijacked by the anarchists. It's all a bit chaotic at the moment. Which is possibly why some people call me a hippy at the exact same time that others call me a fascist. Perhaps I am neither?

Hunter

By enforcing Laws that already exist. The media have been given freedom to report the news as they see it. Over the years though, there has been a tendency by some of them to make up the stories as they go along. Not a problem unless you happen to be the subject of their story. Parliament has put Laws in place to protect the individual from such, the only problem is that it comes under Civil Law, not Common. As such, it becomes very expensive (too much for most people) to take their case to court. If the Laws were adjusted to allow easier access for the victims, and for punitive fines against the media where they are found guilty of deliberately distorting the facts, I believe they (the media) will change their ways. Unable to play the game to their rules, many of them will find their sales drop. That is what I believe they're worried about.

Frith

Add to this the nasty tendency people have of imitating the behaviour of the ruling class. So a callous media leads to a callous attitude among the readership with respect to the privacy of individuals and a loss of integrity in the investigative journalist. Today, it's not about news, it's about cash and hype and the building up or mowing down of "celebrities". You can become one of these hapless souls whether you want to or not. Look what happened to the McCanns

Hunter

Exactly. A good example of the media being allowed to make up the stories as they went along.

david H

There certainly is a breakdown of old definitions. On here I have been called a "Nazi", "Preacher of Hate" and been told "to go back to Stormfront where I belong"! Yet, I am a Conservative, albeit a nationalist one. On the other hand I have been banned from Stormfront 5 times for attacking the "Nutzis." I take the Conservative view that Nazism is a form of Socialism and we must oppose that as we oppose Marxism and Liberalism.

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"You think you are combatting prejudice but you are at war with nature". Edmund Burke.

http://www.buchanan.org/pa-98-1127.html

blueblood1920

By crudarse two homes? The electoral commision have already told them to do one. The marxists want someone to look into the BNP finances and come up with something wrong, but the fact is there is nothing wrong and the EC have said that.

Frith

I agree that there is confusion. I am about as far from a nazi as you can get, hate fascism and basically believe in the sovereign nation state as the best way politically and culturally, and economically in many ways, to allow people and culture to interact with one another across variations without one damaging or overpowering the other on home ground. Nor beginning that unpleasant EU tendency of swallowing things up into a huge unwieldy superstructure with legislation that doesn't suit the constituent groups for a number of reasons and runs the risk of collapsing eventually into devolution, disorder and possible open rebellion and warfare.

If this is to be at all prevented the best is not to start the ball rolling in the first place. Stay out of the EU and tighten up the nation states into workable politically independent entities in economic alliances for the mutual good.