Commons benches almost empty during debate on EU Treaty: click here for photo please

Britannist · 07-02-2008, 08:56 PM

CentreRight: If Lisbon Treaty is "fundamental change", where are all the Tories?

Hunter · 07-02-2008, 11:20 PM

Most of them are aware that they're wasting their time debating this. It will be railroaded through, against the wishes of the electorate, and many of the members in both Houses.

Why bother turning up when everyone knows what the result will be?

mkpdavies · 08-02-2008, 11:55 AM

Perhaps they felt their minds were made up and that they couldn't persuade anyone else to come to their view.

Why are we paying these cretins again?

eublues · 08-02-2008, 12:36 PM

When I watched some of it on BBC Parliament, people like Cash and Heathcote Amory were talking sense - they had well prepared speeches, well delivered, but what for?

The debates are pointless as Lab and Lib-Dem couldn't give a damn about the effects of all this on the UK people. In the divisions (when loads of MPs piled in to the chamber just to vote) the government was getting majorities of about 200.

Maybe it will get a bit more interesting when there is an amendment to require a referendum (?) - but not banking on it.

Hunter · 08-02-2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eublues

When I watched some of it on BBC Parliament, people like Cash and Heathcote Amory were talking sense - they had well prepared speeches, well delivered, but what for?

The debates are pointless as Lab and Lib-Dem couldn't give a damn about the effects of all this on the UK people. In the divisions (when loads of MPs piled in to the chamber just to vote) the government was getting majorities of about 200.

Maybe it will get a bit more interesting when there is an amendment to require a referendum (?) - but not banking on it.

An amendment would have to be voted on - which would have the same result. I queried my MP about the European Override and all I got back was junk about how good the 'Treaty' is for the UK and our 'Red Lines' are guaranteed. The question about the Override being totally ignored.

Vortex · 09-02-2008, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Perhaps they felt their minds were made up and that they couldn't persuade anyone else to come to their view.

Why are we paying these cretins again?

mkpd: I don't think you should refer to MPs as cretins. Cretins are on the whole decent people with a disorder. They are not corrupt, self seeking publicists, devoid of morals and principles and simply exist to feather their own nests treating people with contempt.

Therfore cretins are a far more worthy group in society than MPs, who probably occupy its bottom rung.

mkpdavies · 09-02-2008, 06:45 PM

Fair play. I withdraw the comment.

Westcountryman · 10-02-2008, 08:04 AM

That's quite full for the Commons.

Andrew Constantine · 10-02-2008, 09:44 AM

I recommend that the anti-EU parties have a copy of that photo on their June 2009 Euro election leaflets, saying

"This is what the Tory, Labour, Lib Dem traitors to England think about giving away your democracy".

Hunter · 10-02-2008, 01:48 PM

Good idea, but won't there be a problem with copywrite?

07-02-2008, 08:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Commons benches almost empty during debate on EU Treaty: click here for photo please CentreRight: If Lisbon Treaty is "fundamental change", where are all the Tories?

08-02-2008, 11:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,083 Party: Libertarian Party	Perhaps they felt their minds were made up and that they couldn't persuade anyone else to come to their view. Why are we paying these cretins again? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

09-02-2008, 06:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,083 Party: Libertarian Party	Fair play. I withdraw the comment. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

10-02-2008, 08:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	That's quite full for the Commons. __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

10-02-2008, 09:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 959 Party: Free England Party	Lisbon debates: Photo of an empty Commons I recommend that the anti-EU parties have a copy of that photo on their June 2009 Euro election leaflets, saying "This is what the Tory, Labour, Lib Dem traitors to England think about giving away your democracy". __________________ Andrew Constantine says: The EU is a French-German racket and is incompatible with democracy. An independent England will quit the EU forthwith. Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com The Steadfast Trust http://steadfasttrust.org.uk

07-02-2008, 11:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hunter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 820	Most of them are aware that they're wasting their time debating this. It will be railroaded through, against the wishes of the electorate, and many of the members in both Houses. Why bother turning up when everyone knows what the result will be?

08-02-2008, 12:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,122	When I watched some of it on BBC Parliament, people like Cash and Heathcote Amory were talking sense - they had well prepared speeches, well delivered, but what for? The debates are pointless as Lab and Lib-Dem couldn't give a damn about the effects of all this on the UK people. In the divisions (when loads of MPs piled in to the chamber just to vote) the government was getting majorities of about 200. Maybe it will get a bit more interesting when there is an amendment to require a referendum (?) - but not banking on it.

10-02-2008, 01:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hunter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 820	Good idea, but won't there be a problem with copywrite?

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