Roland

A little bit of history.

1633: Turkey:
Sultan Murad IV bans smoking and as many as 18 people a day are executed for breaking his law.

It dose not matter what the punishment a law will only be obied if it is felt to be a just one. Most people live their life in the belief that law should only come in to play if one mans action is directly responsible for another mans harm.

The nanny state is so disregarded and despised because most people feel their own body is their god given property to do with as they please.

Please answer me these two question.

what right have you to tell any one else what they can and can't do with their body?

Assuming you like a pint or a glass of wine what would your response be to the government baning alcohol?

tito

Roland, your hypothesis sums up the situation, but I do not believe it to be correct.

The real issue is, as long as there is a demand there will be a supply. Legality is irrelevant.
If Stalin couldn't stop it with his reign of terror, there is no way we can.

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mkpdavies

Do we really want to stop it anyway?

Some people manage to use drugs (of all kinds) quite responsibly. They hurt no one, pay for them, don't rob anyone and don't abuse anyone.

They city is full of drug users, as are the political classes. They are criminals as things stand, when I don't think they should be.

It all comes down to personal responsibility in the end. Some people will always be irresponsible, it's getting the numbers down to minimum levels and letting responsible people have a free, unhindered life that is the goal.

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tito

Of course, I have no intention of stopping it.

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Roland

I'm not saying that legalization would not come with problems but the issue will not go away.

Decriminalization as with Amsterdam leaves a problem of it still leaves the industry in criminal hands.

If legalized it would destroy much of the crime in this country. Muggings would drop significantly, so would burglaries and theft from cars. These three criminal activities are the worst in the realm of security and safety of the general public. These are not the activities of criminal gangs seeking an income from crime they are the activities of not particularly bright individuals desperate for cash.

tito

I agree, I was just picking at your law-is-an-ass statement, I believe it is superfluous due to the more basic principle of supply and demand.

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Roland

Kind of like letting the free markets decide.

Kevin Adamson

Thanks for the History lesson Roland. What you failed to mention about our friend Sultan Murad was along with his banning of tabbacco he also banned coffee and alcohol. He was trying to suppress the population and knew he could have anyone killed he wished. He did so to 3 of is brothers and even tried a 4th on his deathbed at the age of 27 from ironic as it may seem alcholism.

Most people belive the law should only come into play if it effects others ? agreed, the drug users effect me when they leave their needles all over the grass down the local park ,When they shove a load of marching powder up thier nose in the pub which gives them a capacity to drink vast ammounts of alcohol and make it uncomfortable for everyone having a few pints.They effect me when my 75 year old Moher has her handbag stolen for a couple of quid so they can get thier next fix,you could say I am effected.,so no they cant do what they like with thier own bodies.


Whenever this subject comes up someone will say alcohol is a drug yes but most people can use alcohol without problem

Westcountryman

Being the eternal 'fascist', I voted for: I Disagree With All These Points. No Currently Illicit Drugs Should Be Made Legal.

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Kevin Adamson

Well I do,stop it that is . How can you say They hurt no one. What of the peasant farmers in some remote land.What of the mules who land at Heathrow with a package leaking into thier gut slowly and painfully killing them
What of the dealers using 15 and 16 year old boys armed to the teeth (lesser sentancing for kids carrying guns) to do thier dirty work.


No one ever got shot delivering a keg of beer.