Nationalisation of Key Resources?

22ANDUK · 31-01-2008, 02:54 PM

What's everyone's opinion of some form of the nationalisation of key british utilities?

By utilities I mean gas, electricity, water as well as other the sources of energy, that form part of our living essentials? Is it a positive factor that they may rest in the hands of other nationals of other countries?

I also refer to companies such as QinetiQ, the defence technology defence company, or Telecomms, which again are important to maintaining Britain's nation structure. I'm not referring to whether Marks & Spencer or Next are owned by foreign nations, purely key national assets. Though maybe you feel that these too are important and should be owned by a British majority. Perhaps the sell of O2 or BAE to Spanish firms is a negative thing?

Would full nationalisation be beneficial, or how about hybrid schemes? Whereby certain companies would be nationalised by the state say 51% to maintain British control?

But is nationalisation a 'tried and failed' system - it obviously did not work before hence privatisation. So how about avoiding nationalisation, but still encouraging British ownership and control? Say for example rules stating that British companies must be owned by British a citizen or citizens by at least 51%? Similar scheme exist in France and the USA where national utilities and media outlets have to be majority owned by citizens of that country (Murdoch would never be allowed to exercise such influence in the USA if he wasn't a US citizen).

What's your opinion?

jgrabham · 31-01-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 22ANDUK

What's everyone's opinion of some form of the nationalisation of key british utilities?

By utilities I mean gas, electricity, water as well as other the sources of energy, that form part of our living essentials? Is it a positive factor that they may rest in the hands of other nationals of other countries?

I also refer to companies such as QinetiQ, the defence technology defence company, or Telecomms, which again are important to maintaining Britain's nation structure. I'm not referring to whether Marks & Spencer or Next are owned by foreign nations, purely key national assets. Though maybe you feel that these too are important and should be owned by a British majority. Perhaps the sell of O2 or BAE to Spanish firms is a negative thing?

Would full nationalisation be beneficial, or how about hybrid schemes? Whereby certain companies would be nationalised by the state say 51% to maintain British control?

But is nationalisation a 'tried and failed' system - it obviously did not work before hence privatisation. So how about avoiding nationalisation, but still encouraging British ownership and control? Say for example rules stating that British companies must be owned by British a citizen or citizens by at least 51%? Similar scheme exist in France and the USA where national utilities and media outlets have to be majority owned by citizens of that country (Murdoch would never be allowed to exercise such influence in the USA if he wasn't a US citizen).

What's your opinion?

I think it sounds far too socalist, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY its all they care about. How about freedom. Freedom to own mines, freedom to sell, freedom to employ.

rjt · 31-01-2008, 05:41 PM

I remember growing up in the 1970s with state run industrys and an unprofitable manufacuting sector.

Mrs Thatcher's economic policys were a break from those failures and I beleive the nation owes her a great debt for that which we will never be able to repay.

g hall · 31-01-2008, 06:19 PM

Privatisation has worked to a degree but many of the regulators have turned native and there are certain things which should be nationalised

kernow · 31-01-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jgrabham

How about freedom. Freedom to own mines, freedom to sell, freedom to employ.

Agreed! Providing they are owned by Britain's and sold to Britons!

Westcountryman · 31-01-2008, 08:37 PM

I don't care who owns SWEB (or any other company) - whether they be British or foreign - provided I get my leccy.

Don't re-nationalise anything,

Smidgey · 31-01-2008, 08:59 PM

We need to go further. My three most hated government organisations: The BBC, customs and in particular, the government backed monopoly - the Royal Mail, all need to either be disbanded or have their supports pulled from under them.

As for Parcelforce (a sub unit of the Royal Mail), the sooner they disappear, the better for all of humanity.

B.A.Ware · 31-01-2008, 09:11 PM

I certainly think utilities like gas,water and electricity should not be run for profit. I don't think they made a loss when they were state owned they are more efficient now due to modern technology and investment, something the government of the day did not do.

Like i always say if a government cannot run a successful company they shouldn't be running the country.

Westcountryman · 31-01-2008, 09:26 PM

Everything was shlt when nationalised, why bother investing when you hold the monopoly? (British Rail anyone?)

The only reason nationalied industries were 'cheaper' or made a 'profit' is because they were propped up by tax payers!

Westcountryman · 31-01-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

We need to go further. My three most hated government organisations: The BBC, customs and in particular, the government backed monopoly - the Royal Mail, all need to either be disbanded or have their supports pulled from under them.

As for Parcelforce (a sub unit of the Royal Mail), the sooner they disappear, the better for all of humanity.

Yes, the BBC should be privatised, as should the Royal Mail. Customs should stay though.

31-01-2008, 02:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,438	Nationalisation of Key Resources? What's everyone's opinion of some form of the nationalisation of key british utilities? By utilities I mean gas, electricity, water as well as other the sources of energy, that form part of our living essentials? Is it a positive factor that they may rest in the hands of other nationals of other countries? I also refer to companies such as QinetiQ, the defence technology defence company, or Telecomms, which again are important to maintaining Britain's nation structure. I'm not referring to whether Marks & Spencer or Next are owned by foreign nations, purely key national assets. Though maybe you feel that these too are important and should be owned by a British majority. Perhaps the sell of O2 or BAE to Spanish firms is a negative thing? Would full nationalisation be beneficial, or how about hybrid schemes? Whereby certain companies would be nationalised by the state say 51% to maintain British control? But is nationalisation a 'tried and failed' system - it obviously did not work before hence privatisation. So how about avoiding nationalisation, but still encouraging British ownership and control? Say for example rules stating that British companies must be owned by British a citizen or citizens by at least 51%? Similar scheme exist in France and the USA where national utilities and media outlets have to be majority owned by citizens of that country (Murdoch would never be allowed to exercise such influence in the USA if he wasn't a US citizen). What's your opinion?

31-01-2008, 05:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,479	I remember growing up in the 1970s with state run industrys and an unprofitable manufacuting sector. Mrs Thatcher's economic policys were a break from those failures and I beleive the nation owes her a great debt for that which we will never be able to repay. __________________ Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO! (Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990) Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

31-01-2008, 06:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,595	Privatisation has worked to a degree but many of the regulators have turned native and there are certain things which should be nationalised __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." Remember TANSTAAFL and TANJ

31-01-2008, 08:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	I don't care who owns SWEB (or any other company) - whether they be British or foreign - provided I get my leccy. Don't re-nationalise anything, __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty." Last edited by Westcountryman; 31-01-2008 at 08:39 PM.

31-01-2008, 08:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,210 Party: Libertarian Party	We need to go further. My three most hated government organisations: The BBC, customs and in particular, the government backed monopoly - the Royal Mail, all need to either be disbanded or have their supports pulled from under them. As for Parcelforce (a sub unit of the Royal Mail), the sooner they disappear, the better for all of humanity. __________________ How vain is man, who boasts in fight the valour of gigantic might! -Georg Friedrich Händel

31-01-2008, 09:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,620 Party: UKIP	I certainly think utilities like gas,water and electricity should not be run for profit. I don't think they made a loss when they were state owned they are more efficient now due to modern technology and investment, something the government of the day did not do. Like i always say if a government cannot run a successful company they shouldn't be running the country. __________________ We’re not just about Europe.

31-01-2008, 09:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	Everything was shlt when nationalised, why bother investing when you hold the monopoly? (British Rail anyone?) The only reason nationalied industries were 'cheaper' or made a 'profit' is because they were propped up by tax payers! __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

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